Whats up faggots.

[Jerome Scuggs]

So for you, there are no exceptions? All socialism is bad? It's not that the "socialist" laws are in fact free market laws that give huge kickbacks to companies?

Because if so I agree. Disband government/funded socialist military. Disband government-funded socialist cops. Do you agree that we need to get rid of these socialist institutions?

Also re: Reagan's strike busting the the 80's concerning ATC workers: how do you feel about Chuck Yeager? Do you think he knows what he's talking about? Because lol https://twitter.com/genchuckyeager/s...67881033981952

[kthx]

The Housing market failed because they gave out loans to people who didn't deserve it, cars replacing horses is different than cars that drive themselves for convenience will replace cars that people drive out of need or for fun, backing up an 18 wheeler into a dock and finding out which dock to go to in multi warehouse complexes is different than parking a shitty nissan leaf on a street corner, not all drivers are part of a union, in fact a majority aren't, anyone can be a CEO if they successfully run their own business, and most people at the bottom are there because they are lazy or too stupid to be given power over others, Eph got fucked with socialized medicine which I am against, automation won't effect jobs in a largely life changing way until we have better power sources, and if we followed the laws that are already on the books companies would be fined for hiring people illegally, but the government needs to fix the broken and fucked up social security # situation for that to happen.

[Jerome Scuggs]

And yeah, if you think cars will never replace horses, if you think the housing market will never fail, I guess it's ok to think automation will not be a huge disruption to the workforce. Like, states are already passing laws allowing driverless vehicles without human supervision. I wouldn't put my faith in technology NOT innovating.

Edit: I should also point out that I've been using facts, figures, and real-world examples in my posts. The responses have been mainly anecdotal and theoretical. If your arguments are solid you should provide real-world stats and examples to explain your arguments, lol. How do you explain the boom-bust cycle after 1970? How do you explain the huge gap between worker productivity and wages? We are the MOST PRODUCTIVE GENERATION IN HISTORY yet, when adjusted for inflation, wages HAVE NOT INCREASED IN OVER THIRTY YEARS.

[Jerome Scuggs]

It is a free market, if the employees hate their jobs at Walmart so much they could go get a job somewhere else. And before you tell me that they can't, they actually can. If Walmart can't find people to work for them at the rate they are willing to pay them, they would have to increase the rate of pay to their employees until people would work for them, that is basic free market logic. The funny thing is Walmart pays their drivers, logistics, and other people a very very competitive pay because they are worth more and do a job that requires a skilled trade and special license.

You're gonna shit when you find out the difference between the truck drivers and the actual in-store employees

Hint: the truck drivers are unionized lol

Lets assume everyone can find jobs. Can everyone be a CEO? Even in a perfect free market, someone's still gotta be bottom bitch. Asking for a fair wage doesn't seem so crazy.

Still haven't answered my question: do you think it's a good idea to increase enforcement of hiring laws re: employers who hire illegals?

I should also point out that if we're going to follow your logic, Eph is struggling with crappy dialysis because he was lazy and didn't work hard enough to secure the finer things in life. Eph, do you really think you're in this situation because you were lazy and didn't work hard enough? Why didn't you just become a billionaire? It's simple enough.

[kthx]

On top of that, self driving cars are a fucking pipe dream in the next 50 years, the technology isn't nearly ready yet, the population doesn't really want them that much, and who is going to bite the bullet and make them in mass for the average population while losing billions of dollars? Is the government going to subsidize their production and use?

[kthx]

If you think self driving cars would be the end of jobs in the transportation field you are dead wrong, someone is still going to be sitting in those rigs getting paid the same if not more considering they are going to have to learn more technology to operate it correctly.

Also if there aren't enough jobs then why are we bringing in people from another country to do menial labor? Sounds to me like you are admitting the people sitting around on unemployment are just lazy individuals, who keep voting democrat so they don't have to work.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Transportation is one of the largest employers of individuals in America and we're on the cusp of a self-driving vehicle revolution, so it'll be interesting to see this play out over the next decade

[Jerome Scuggs]

Ah, I forget we live in a world with infinite jobs! But if jobs are infinite than so is money so all this worry about budgets is unfounded, give everyone a job and a money

[kthx]

It's the "while doing a better job" part that gets me here. What does that mean, specifically? Because remember, we're talking about economics, where price is a driving factor. Do you honestly think Walmart is on top because its products are the best? Or because their products are the cheapest? And to that end, do you know that the largest demographic of welfare users isn't racial or gender-based, that the largest group of people who use welfare, is walmart employees? Why is Walmart forcing taxpayers to subsidIze their employees? Why doesn't Walmart pay them, themselves? Do you think Walmart doesn't have that kind of money?

It is a free market, if the employees hate their jobs at Walmart so much they could go get a job somewhere else. And before you tell me that they can't, they actually can. If Walmart can't find people to work for them at the rate they are willing to pay them, they would have to increase the rate of pay to their employees until people would work for them, that is basic free market logic. The funny thing is Walmart pays their drivers, logistics, and other people a very very competitive pay because they are worth more and do a job that requires a skilled trade and special license.

[Jerome Scuggs]

If a company can't make money they fail and a different company comes and takes over while doing a better job.. what college did you study economics in?

It's the "while doing a better job" part that gets me here. What does that mean, specifically? Because remember, we're talking about economics, where price is a driving factor. Do you honestly think Walmart is on top because its products are the best? Or because their products are the cheapest? And to that end, do you know that the largest demographic of welfare users isn't racial or gender-based, that the largest group of people who use welfare, is walmart employees? Why is Walmart forcing taxpayers to subsidIze their employees? Why doesn't Walmart pay them, themselves? Do you think Walmart doesn't have that kind of money?

[kthx]

The fact of the matter is that most businesses nowadays aren't increasing profits by improving products. They're doing it by cutting costs. If they could cut minimum wage and pay us all 50cents a day they absolutely would.

Whats your point, the government has a minimum wage? How does that help anything you are saying, and companies have always tried to cut costs and save money.. why the fuck do you think we took over Panama to build the canal.

[kthx]

Im about to hit the clock so I wanted to toss up some thought experiments

Markets are based on the idea that rational actors make rational decisions. So I have to ask: when it comes to life or death, when it comes to loved ones, do you think people act rationally? If you're in an accident and unconscious, should doctors not provide treatment until you're awake to do some price shopping?

Do you really think the MOST PRODUCTIVE GENERATION in history really just "need to work harder"?

If a worker wants a better wage, the answer is usually "well just work harder". What about a business? If a business can't afford to pay its workers a living wage, why can't they just "work harder"? Why can't they business better? Sorry but minimum wage isn't liveable and pretending like it is 1) makes businesses lazy because they don't have to improve to make profit to increase wages and 2) keeps shitty businesses alive because they always shift these costs onto the worker in the form of low wages that don't increase with profits.

And finally, what do you think about cracking down on employers who hire illegals? Do you think this is a good idea? Why protect these lazy businesses who don't want to work hard enough to improve profits and instead save money by hiring illegals?

If a company can't make money they fail and a different company comes and takes over while doing a better job.. what college did you study economics in?

[Jerome Scuggs]

The fact of the matter is that most businesses nowadays aren't increasing profits by improving products. They're doing it by cutting costs. If they could cut minimum wage and pay us all 50cents a day they absolutely would.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Im about to hit the clock so I wanted to toss up some thought experiments

Markets are based on the idea that rational actors make rational decisions. So I have to ask: when it comes to life or death, when it comes to loved ones, do you think people act rationally? If you're in an accident and unconscious, should doctors not provide treatment until you're awake to do some price shopping?

Do you really think the MOST PRODUCTIVE GENERATION in history really just "need to work harder"?

If a worker wants a better wage, the answer is usually "well just work harder". What about a business? If a business can't afford to pay its workers a living wage, why can't they just "work harder"? Why can't they business better? Sorry but minimum wage isn't liveable and pretending like it is 1) makes businesses lazy because they don't have to improve to make profit to increase wages and 2) keeps shitty businesses alive because they always shift these costs onto the worker in the form of low wages that don't increase with profits.

And finally, what do you think about cracking down on employers who hire illegals? Do you think this is a good idea? Why protect these lazy businesses who don't want to work hard enough to improve profits and instead save money by hiring illegals?

[kthx]

Hopefully later when you get back you can explain to me your thought process of paying money to a union that tells you to vote for a candidate who basically agrees that certain industries need to shut down over a candidate who promised (and kept his promise) to keep companies here in the US which is a DIRECT improvement to you. How does your union tell you how to feel about that, what do the pamphlets tell you?