Whats up faggots.

[kthx]

But But But.. Jerome went to college surely he knows more about shit because his SJW professor told him in an Antifa meeting.

[Ephemeral]

The amount of fake news and leftist spin surrounding ‘Single Payer’ or ‘Universal Care’ is staggering. The vast majority of those who comment have never experienced shit. In fact, most people do not know that US already has socialized medicine. In 1975 the US implemented a law that provides dialysis for every person at no charge through Medicare. Anyone who is diagnosed with End Stage Renal Disease, whether you are 5 years old or 85 years old, is automatically qualified for Medicare and Disability. This covers 80% of all your medical costs and then there are other programs where you can get the 20% of your medical costs covered. The cost for doing this is a bit more than 2% of the total US annual budget. (For comparison, the Dept of Education entire budget is only 1% of the total; supporting dialysis is costing US tax payers twice what they are paying for education.)

I have a unique perspective, I get dialysis treatments with this socialized system but I get my cancer infusion treatments through the normal competitive system. It is a fucking night and day difference. The level of care absolutely sucks under the socialized dialysis system, it is abysmal compared to the competitive system. The reason is simple; the socialized system emphasis is totally and completely based upon patient ‘turn over’ and greatly reducing the patient to healthcare provider ratios.

At dialysis center, there are 40 chairs and treatments take about 4-5 hours. At the infusion center, there is 35 chairs and treatments take about 3-4 hours. At dialysis there is 2 nurses handling 40 patients, at the infusion center there is 13 nurses handling 35 patients. And with the extreme emphasis on productivity; the socialize dialysis system is ALL about ‘treat them and street them’. They are forced to rush through the medical care, it is basically a medical sweat shop. And due to this the dialysis centers across the USA have an employee turn-over rates that are comparable to that of McDonalds. When you spend 15-20 hours per week in these systems you get a good handle on how many mistakes and errors are occurring; I have documented as many 4 mistakes per week at the dialysis center but have never seen a mistake made at the infusion center. In either system, mistakes can be life threatening. When you are constantly training new healthcare employees more mistakes are made. And the level of morale of the care providers between the two systems is shocking and scary.

I cannot pseak to how socialized medicine is implemented in other coutnries but here in the USA it sucks. Anyone who supports socialized medicine ought to come sit in my shoes for a few weeks and see the difference between these two systems. It is hard enough for my wife to deal with me having cancer, but she is far more afraid that the socialized dialysis center will kill me first.
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[Zeebu]

aahahaha forgot that guy

[kthx]

Holy fuck that kid with the greasy mullet and bjork bumper sticker on his 1992 Honda Accord, how could anyone forget.

[Vys]

Kthx. You forgot to mention RATTYdotdotdot

[kthx]

When a game dies the leader of the game doesn't have to tell people to eat the pets to survive because there isn't enough food you stupid fucking faggot.

Hi Cres, no honorable mentions for me you fuck? Jason.. my god I felt bad destroying him

[Tone]

This Game has an Amazing Ultra Long LifeSpan -- I notice every other good thing that came out for the internet i.e. HearMe on Mplayer late 90s, cancelled 2000.... every good thing that comes out online and offline things becomes quickly corrupted and brought down, within a few weeks to a few years. On the Otherhand theres NOTHING like the AMAZING LIFESPAN of Subspace Continuum SSCU Trenchwars --- WOOOOW OWOWOW Oh weird how every acts the opposite as if,,,,, nevermind and stuff

[Crescent Seal]

remember that one fgt who created distension...legit forgot his name tho

also honorable mentions to the following for making forums entertaining:
gran guerrero (funny in a disturbing way)
ilyaz (provided n00dz)
xog (was the punching bag tw needed but didnt deserve)
jason (struggled with being a forums mall cop)
galileo (was given a terrible role in mafia on purpose to see him cry)

[kthx]

I did mean Adam Smith actually, been awhile since I studied any of this to be honest.

The problem in all of this is of course energy you know. People are pushing for a form of government that can't exist yet, pushing for rights that are feasible yet. We can't give everyone in the world free healthcare, we can't give everyone in the world a living salary where they don't have to work. We don't have the energy available to us yet to take the next step our civilization is ready to take. My point still stands on what I said originally. All forms of government eventually devolve into a select few in power having everything because it is human nature. But, I would say we have had a pretty good run so far here, as opposed to like well, certain South American countries.

[Jerome Scuggs]

I have actually read that before, but the system we use is much more different than the system employed originally in Europe in which Marx's writings inspired.. I am going to assume you are going to bring up John Smith next? But anyways that is far from the point that socialized medicine is a failure wherever it is implemented, and never before has it been put into place in such a large and largely populated country. Also I find it funny you bring up Marx without bringing up Alinsky

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Marx basically laid out a framework through which events & history could be analyzed. His big contribution was developing the idea that society has followed a cycle where "masters" and "slaves" continually redefine their own relationship through revolution. There used to be tyrants and caesars, and then the masses learned about themselves and their world, revolted, and society re-arranged itself anew: the feudal arrangement. Then the masses learned more about themselves and their world, they revolted, and feudalism to constitutional monarchism, which gave way to parliaments, which gave way / are giving way to increasingly "free" forms of government.

Marx might have been a man of a certain place or time but that's like saying gravity doesn't apply anymore cuz Newton's era is long gone. Marx didn't analyze a certain time or place, he looked at all of history and derived some interesting conclusions!

Anyways I also think you meant Adam* Smith, and also, read Wealth of Nations! When talking about "free markets" he meant markets free from cartel/monopoly control, and called for their regulation lol

[kthx]

Also to get back to the original point. A lot of the reason why costs are so expensive here in the US also is the fact that we are responsible for creating new drugs and establish new drug patents.

http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2014/...-complicated/# (linked proof here)

So, after we create all these life saving drugs with our "terrible healthcare system" we also make sure our doctors are paid well, which is the reason we are also leading in research against most diseases (Especially here in Houston). The rest of the world benefits from the money we spend on our healthcare system. I know you went to school and those alinskyites brainwashed you but you need to wake up and relearn how to use common sense there my dude.

[kthx]

I have actually read that before, but the system we use is much different than the system employed originally in Europe in which Marx's writings inspired.. I am going to assume you are going to bring up John Smith next? But anyways that is far from the point that socialized medicine is a failure wherever it is implemented, and never before has it been put into place in such a large and largely populated country. Also I find it funny you bring up Marx without bringing up Alinsky

Edit: doot

[Jerome Scuggs]

Universal Healthcare is terrible, the doctors suck, they don't do a good job treating patients, there is waiting lists for services and it is also a fundamental tool for destabilizing a population. Don't tell me you've gone all faggot Antifa on me JS

*while waiting another two weeks for my specialist appointment in a country with 17,000 malpractice suits a year* the problem with single-payer, you see, is wait times and bad doctors

edit: i know it seems weird that i spent a decade spouting economics and shit at people only to come to this point, but i should point out that "capitalism" as a term was first used by karl marx, and his work, "das kapital", is by far one of the better economics texts i've ever read, and as someone who has always viewed history through an economic lens, the idea of historical materialism is very enticing indeed

there's a reason the right-wing has spent years conditioning people to reflexively hate marxism: because it's hard to hate it when you actually sit down and read about it, so you gotta tell people "no, its so bad you shouldnt even read it"

[kthx]

Universal Healthcare is terrible, the doctors suck, they don't do a good job treating patients, there is waiting lists for services and it is also a fundamental tool for destabilizing a population. Don't tell me you've gone all faggot Antifa on me JS

[Jerome Scuggs]

I just wanted to say that this game is a perfect example of what happens when socialists take control of anything, what is left of staff is a bunch of fucking morons who value feelings over results.

this is more like late stage capitalism, power has slowly centralized and coalesced into the hands of the 1% who promptly turn around and lord over everyone, and when people complain, they then act like victims while continuing to fuck people

valuing "feelings" over "results" is when you're the only first world country that doesn't have universal healthcare because a small but powerful group of people literally jack off to a photo of william f. buckley jacking off to thomas jefferson