The guy from Audioslave

[ÆNIMA]

sorry, but APC and Tool are completely different, in my opinion anyway

but i've posted in like 10 consecutive threads, what's my opinion matter?:P

[bloodzombie]

Originally posted by ÆNIMA
sorry, but APC and Tool are completely different, in my opinion anyway

Maybe I haven't listened to enough APC to have an educated opinion, but to me it sounds a lot like a watered down tool. Like maynard wanted to do some more mellow songs, but knew that wasn't what tool fans wanted to hear.

Obviously there's a different sound to it, particularly in the guitar work, but overal, that's what it sounds like to me.

[ÆNIMA]

Well today I was reading an excerpt from an IGN article that called Tool a prog-rock band (the same genre Pink Floyd falls under) and this got me thinking. Ya, their music does seem to progress musically and emotionally, but APC seems to be a lot more repetitive. "The Package" for example, however that song is different from most others on the album. There just isn't as much variety in each individual song of any APC album as there is in the two newer Tool albums. APC does have a lot of depth in their music though.

So maybe you're right BZ, it could just be watered down, but I've never really sat down and listened to Tool, then APC to try and compare.

Thinking about depth, did you know that Danny Carey's drumset has more than 30 pieces to it? farking....if you ever get the chance to see them play Disposition, Reflection, and Triad together (like on the album) in concert....Danny is a freaking train, and you'll know what people mean when they talk about a Toolgasm.

[Verthanthi]

If you want to talk about fucked up vocal chords, go listen to Immolation or Cannibal Corpse or some shitty ass death metal band like them. I think you'll find Chris Cornell's voice is melodic.

[FLaBiN]

Re: Re: The guy from Audioslave

Originally posted by bloodzombie
You mean chris cornell? he's been singing like that since the late 80's.

actually mid 80's... i believe Soundgarden's first album came out in 85 or 86... plus he was singing before Soundgarden got it big.

[Facetious]

Originally posted by bloodzombie
This is the funniest part of this whole thread. a guy who listens to a gajillion bands that nobody even knows about today is using this as an argument. Come on face, you know it doesn't mean a damn whether the general population will remember it or not.

I don't claim that Jeff Mangum is the next Bob Dylan, though. That was all my point was about the "nobody will remember Tool in 10 years." Bands still constantly cite Zeppelin and Floyd as influences years and years after the bands have stopped producing music. My bet is that 20 years from now, Zeppelin and Floyd will still be influencing music ten times more than Tool will.

My inititial point in posting was that I think it's stupid that in practically every single thread about anything that has to do with music, AEnima brings up Tool. I just don't think that's neccessary.

As far as why I don't like certain bands? I'm not a music major. Obviously me saying "they suck" is an objective opinion. Music can't be better or worse than other music. Tell me why you think Tool is as good as Zeppelin? Saying "their music does seem to progress musically and emotionally" doesn't mean anything either, dude.

[bloodzombie]

Re: Re: Re: The guy from Audioslave

Originally posted by FLaBiN
actually mid 80's... i believe Soundgarden's first album came out in 85 or 86... plus he was singing before Soundgarden got it big.

They had an EP that came out in '87, first full length album was in '88

[bloodzombie]

Originally posted by Facetious
I don't claim that Jeff Mangum is the next Bob Dylan, though. That was all my point was about the "nobody will remember Tool in 10 years." Bands still constantly cite Zeppelin and Floyd as influences years and years after the bands have stopped producing music. My bet is that 20 years from now, Zeppelin and Floyd will still be influencing music ten times more than Tool will.

My inititial point in posting was that I think it's stupid that in practically every single thread about anything that has to do with music, AEnima brings up Tool. I just don't think that's neccessary.

As far as why I don't like certain bands? I'm not a music major. Obviously me saying "they suck" is an objective opinion. Music can't be better or worse than other music. Tell me why you think Tool is as good as Zeppelin? Saying "their music does seem to progress musically and emotionally" doesn't mean anything either, dude.

You're right, I lost the context, your point is a good one.. whether it's true or not, we'll see in 10 years.

[Machine of God]

read some Tool lyrics, then read some Led Zeppelin lyrics, you will see why Tool is better, or at least see why they don't suck

COME ON BABAY, PRETTY BABY OH YEAH OH YEAH UH UH UH OH YEAH BABAY!

Led Zeppelin didn't have much of anything intellectual to say, if you ask me, yet I haven't gone through and read every single Led Zeppelin song.

And Primus rules, Crvenban!

[T00L]

couple of things...

i have a video of tool playing ticks and leeches live, and i think maynard nearly died in it

also i saw them live about 1.5 years ago (last time they were in uk, sucks i know) and they played disposition, triad and reflection in the order you said aenima, it was awesome, they also played aenema, (my fave song) and that was out of this world...

tool have always said they make music... this means the music is the main part, as it is emotional and provokative, the lyrics give the song meaning, the point is dont take lyrics too serious.

another point, every musical tatse on the planet is an opinion, i find it utterly small minded when ppl say <band1> are better than <band2>, or <band1> suck!

btw, primus do rule, and dont forget the master.... mike patton, what a genious.

[ÆNIMA]

Originally posted by T00L
couple of things...

i have a video of tool playing ticks and leeches live, and i think maynard nearly died in it

I have to see that, I thought they were never going to do Ticks and Leeches live simply because Maynard couldn't keep his vocals straight afterwards.

Facetious, I don't think I've said they're ass good as Zep, but that they've simply been compared to them.
Because apparently I can't talk about the emotions that are expressed in their music, I should touch on the band member's traits.

Maynard's voice has a pretty wide range, however he probably wouldn't be considered a good singer by classical musicians, his voice isn't right for that. For the music he sings for though, it's just right. Much like Kurt Cobain, admit it...his voice sucked. But for the band and music he played and sang for...it fit the bill. Whether you like Maynard's voice is purely opinionated, but he can hold a tone and stay in key with the song.

Adam Jones (guitar) has admitted that he knows nothing about the guitar at all like B.B. King would. I have an interview of him saying this on tape..but that's not to say he doesn't have an understanding of rhythm. All I can say about him is that he fiddles with the guitar until he comes up with a neat riff or solo, which again...whether you like it or not is up to you.

Justin Chancellor (bass) has a high rhythmic sense and is capable of writing a bass line that consists more than just the root of the chord being played. I honestly don't know about his playing, but I can tell you he's necessary to the band. Whether you like him...opinion.

Danny Carey (drums) If you haven't heard at least the introduction of Ticks and Leeches or Reflection, you should listen to that much. What you hear in those introductions is the same that you would see Danny play live on his 30+ piece drumset. He's studied under the tabla master Aloke Dutta and from him has received an amazing rhythmic sense. If any of the 4 members of Tool are talented, it's Danny. If he ever misses a beat in a show it's because he's broken something (a stick, drum head, pedal). I can't begin to tell you about his rhythmic talents, you'd just have to hear him.

The four of these together convey much depth and range in the music. Each song is original and portrays multiple themes. (You could understand themes better from classical music, most of today's pop music expresses limited themes through the guitar and vocals) Each instrument displays a different characteristic... Besides, these guys are into the occult, and much of their influence comes from what they study, chances are...they've got a pact with the devil, or had one.


If you've ignored all that Facetious...just take a few minutes from your hectic day and download Led Zeppelin's "No Quarter" and Tool's "No Quarter" you'll at least see what I mean when I say Tool has depth in their music.

[T00L]

aenima, i dug it out my collection.. its 85mb, and was played at ft lauderdale. how can i transfer it to ya? i'm a bit dumb when it comes to file transfers etc..

[ÆNIMA]

hmm, 85 mb sounds like it'd be the entire show....i doubt it's a really high quality video, do you think you could edit only the song out? then we could try some things

[bloodzombie]

Originally posted by ÆNIMA

Maynard's voice has a pretty wide range, however he probably wouldn't be considered a good singer by classical musicians, his voice isn't right for that. For the music he sings for though, it's just right. Much like Kurt Cobain, admit it...his voice sucked. But for the band and music he played and sang for...it fit the bill. Whether you like Maynard's voice is purely opinionated, but he can hold a tone and stay in key with the song.

He sounds too nasaly on a lot of the new apc disk.

is nasaly a word? nasal-full?

whatever.

[ÆNIMA]

Ya, I think whenever he actually sings you hear that "nasaly" voice...it's just his, but I don't think it sounds bad.