protesting the new settings

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[OT]This is why non-pure pubs suck - there is only one pure pub, the one with GuanoBot - , levis, priv freqers, lanc or spid terr, people humping dust and rocks (staying in spawn zone). Most annoying thing is priv frq LTs, thats not basing anymore. In pure pubs, or in the pure pub, there are accually people trying to get the base for real.[/OT]

You know what I would like, when you log on to TW you get a nice and good looking banner in the middle of the screen saying: "Welcome to Trench Wars". And dissepear after 5 seconds. And some cool manga chick, with little bit of flesh showing" ^_^;''

I have this funny feeling.. had such a weird day at work.
Still 1 hour and 27 min to go.. gawh!

[StarKitty]

Levi terrs should only be available to people on the public frequencies and not the Private ones... would reduce serious lamage... and hopefully make people actually attack and try taking bases more..
I mean if all some people are going to do is fly around shooting people outside base in a warbird they should go to duelling.

[sonlox]

i like the new settings. u people need to learn to grow as the game does

[StarKitty]

^^^ what a great first post
my new friend lol


welcome sonlox
xox

[xSliderx]

New settings are great!

Now I like playing with Warbird as much as the next person, but the x is just too damn fun.

What I love most is....
the terriers and Javs that deliberatly hunt you to ruin yer fun

NOW!! The tables are turned, and its the x's that are hunting the terriers and Javs.....GENIOUS TO WHOMEVER MADE THESE SETTINGS!

Duels with x vs terrier is now a reality and so much fun! Brings a little life back into the game

Bravo!

Hasta!!
xSliderx

[SpiderMage]

The new settings are perfect now, as I said earlier.

Weasel duels are actually fun n.n I haven't had much luck at weasel vs terr duels yet though, but 've gotten pretty good at dueling javs, I just hate it when they can see you, and you don't know that they know you are there and then BAM!! Bomb to the face ><

Weasels are actually useful in base defense and offense I think, because of their slightly faster speed and bullet speed, I was lucky enough to grab 2 full energy greens in a row so I killed the enemy terr( it had two turrets ) on the first hit, grabbed the green, killed the lanc that spotted me, grabbed that green then killed the shark trying to rep the mines, all in like 30 - 45 seconds and it was mostly thanks to the increased movement speed, though it still doesn't seem like much.

So new Weasels actually have a fighting chance now, so they are great.

[Stultus]

Quinn: you mostly fly lanc, right? Disregarding cloak and stealth, it's rather easy to come out triumphant--one of four multifired bullets will instakill. If you miss? Fire again with practically no delay.

I obviously can't speak for everyone, but when I weasel I do it visibly. Tell me you don't have a fighting chance against that.

[Quinn Cairn]

The Lancaster is no longer an instakill ship. The weasel is able to fire two instakill shots in a short period of time but I don't have a problem with that aspect of the weasels. Flying weasel visibly? I don't have a problem with that either. It's the invisible weasels that can get you at anytime or anyplace without warning. An contrary to popular belief, a weasel does not leave himself open after an attack. He can recloak immediately. So unless there is a ship with X-Radar flying around, being in a weasel is a win-win situation. So why aren't everybody flying around in weasels? I would guess for the same reason I don't fly around in a WB shooting at Lancasters. I simply prefer the Lancaster, even with it's slowness, weak and slow bullets, and limited mobility compared to the WB. I'm not saying the weasel has all the advantages but the one's it does have, are impossible to overcome when the ship is invisible not matter how slow and unmaneuverable it may be.

I don't mind WBs or spiders because there is always the chance for me to beat one. Not so with weasels. Hell, every ship (not including weasels) has a chance to kill any other ship. It's not always a large chance but it is a chance none the less. With weasels, the ships without X-Radar don't stand a chance. Now I'm not advocating giving X-Radar to every ship then the weasel would be useless. But a weasel being able to invoke Cloak and Stealth simultaneously is bad enough but invoking them simultaneously with no energy penalty it's just plain unfair.

I had only a few ideas to deal with this new reality in TW. One was to ban the weasel along with the levi in "Pure Pub" arenas. This way it is possible to avoid the arenas where weasels run rampant. The other ideas dealth with the nature of stealth and cloak in a weasel. Of course, if you know of a weasel-free arena in TW, I would like to know about it.

PS. To all the people that will criticize me for not being able to adapt to the game or whining, remember one thing. It's called feedback. It's one of the reasons the forums are here. If you have severe adversion to feedback and are unable to adapt to it, that is not my problem.

BTW. I'll welcome your feedback even if you don't welcome mine.

Quinn: you mostly fly lanc, right? Disregarding cloak and stealth, it's rather easy to come out triumphant--one of four multifired bullets will instakill. If you miss? Fire again with practically no delay.

I obviously can't speak for everyone, but when I weasel I do it visibly. Tell me you don't have a fighting chance against that.

[Sufficient]

Weasels have never run rampant bc they get killed so easily once ppl realize that they are around. I mean if u have 1 terr around to help you out ... you can basically take on 10 weasels (terr fires towards weasels ... and you as lanc follow his/her direction of fire).

Every ship has a weakness ... just bc u favor one ship over another doesn't mean someone else is not allowed to exploit that weakness and play weasel against ur lanc.

Btw, in essence, a weasel has 1 shot against an nme. If the weasel misses, he's basically screwed. And also, you know u can just fire randomly when u know a weasel is around ... u can see if the bullet hits somewhere in open space and just fire again.

[Sarien]

I really don't understand why it is people equate being cloaked, with being "lame" or whatever else they want to call it. I never have. It's a function, just like any of the other functions of the game. Boo hoo, so you can't see the X, until it attacks. Well considering you don't have a set number of lives and then it's "game over", get over yourself. You respawn 3 seconds later and can make a new choice of ship to go mess specifically with the X that got you, if your pride is that fucking wounded. Get over yourself, you're not anything special, you're able to die too. It's not a goddamn samurai duel. It's a fucking spaceship game.

[xSliderx]

I mean if u have 1 terr around to help you out ... you can basically take on 10 weasels

Not against me u cant

Hasta!!
xSliderx

[Selex]

I don't judge myself selex...
And what do you mean you can't really see the pic on my profile? lolz

i'll do another...

Ooooooooooooooook.

[Selex]

i like the new settings. u people need to learn to grow as the game does

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
Sorry, Sir.
Your opinion.. Please type out everything... (eg: u = You)
Ruining the English language. Please die now.

Btw: I feel obligated to tell you that im drinking Margarita Mix.

[SpiderMage]

The Lancaster is no longer an instakill ship. The weasel is able to fire two instakill shots in a short period of time but I don't have a problem with that aspect of the weasels. Flying weasel visibly? I don't have a problem with that either. It's the invisible weasels that can get you at anytime or anyplace without warning. An contrary to popular belief, a weasel does not leave himself open after an attack. He can recloak immediately. So unless there is a ship with X-Radar flying around, being in a weasel is a win-win situation. So why aren't everybody flying around in weasels? I would guess for the same reason I don't fly around in a WB shooting at Lancasters. I simply prefer the Lancaster, even with it's slowness, weak and slow bullets, and limited mobility compared to the WB. I'm not saying the weasel has all the advantages but the one's it does have, are impossible to overcome when the ship is invisible not matter how slow and unmaneuverable it may be.

I don't mind WBs or spiders because there is always the chance for me to beat one. Not so with weasels. Hell, every ship (not including weasels) has a chance to kill any other ship. It's not always a large chance but it is a chance none the less. With weasels, the ships without X-Radar don't stand a chance. Now I'm not advocating giving X-Radar to every ship then the weasel would be useless. But a weasel being able to invoke Cloak and Stealth simultaneously is bad enough but invoking them simultaneously with no energy penalty it's just plain unfair.

I had only a few ideas to deal with this new reality in TW. One was to ban the weasel along with the levi in "Pure Pub" arenas. This way it is possible to avoid the arenas where weasels run rampant. The other ideas dealth with the nature of stealth and cloak in a weasel. Of course, if you know of a weasel-free arena in TW, I would like to know about it.

PS. To all the people that will criticize me for not being able to adapt to the game or whining, remember one thing. It's called feedback. It's one of the reasons the forums are here. If you have severe adversion to feedback and are unable to adapt to it, that is not my problem.

BTW. I'll welcome your feedback even if you don't welcome mine.

Your logic is sound to a point, however as a pretty much pure terrier/weasel player( I used to flag defense with warbird and lancaster or just played whatever was needed ) I have to confront you on a few things.

1) This is probably the biggest weakness of a weasel, good player or not. Stray shots or just any fire in an enclosed, or even unenclosed area. Weasels are slightly more manueverable, but by no means can they weave in and out of bullets and bombs like pretty much all the other ships can. Most of my weasel deaths are attributed simply to the fact that I ate a bullet for a team member without any attempt to do so. Weasels make up their advantage of stealth/cloak having little energy usage with the fact that any shot, even a single spider bullet, can render it useless, especially if cloaked, which is why so many weasel kills are also weasel deaths. You get the ever present strength of cloak/stealth along with the ever present weakness of pretty much everyone else around you.

2) Weasel's energy was upped a little bit( something like what, an extra 100 - 200 energy ), yet still one stray shot( point 1 leads into this one just to warn you ) can again lead to instant death or energy depletion. If a weasel is within the outer reaches of a Javelin bomb blast radius, it can die while all other ships would simply shrug it off.

3) You stated that Weasels now can fire two shots, well that's all well and good except one thing. You have to be uncloaked to do it, and I think unstealthed as well. That right there takes away the advantage of the Weasel, because it has to get in close to be effective and it's not easy to get in close against a competant opponent with an uncloaked Weasel.

4) You mention that Weasels don't use much energy to cloak/stealth, however you fail to mention that when cloaked and stealthed they gain NO energy, none, zero. Energy refills SLOWLY when unstealthed and quickly when uncloaked, making it a win-lose situation. Because if you get hit by a stray shot when cloaked/stealthed any plan of attack goes out the window because you must go hide and recharge if you don't want to be out in the open, that or hope to pick up a full charge green. Also if you fire and miss, yeah you can recloak, but chances are the missed opponent will turn around and fire in your direction at least once, most likely leading to your death.

5) Banning Weasels is dumb, just because of the basis of "oh I can't see it, I don't have a fighting chance so get rid of it". It's the weakest ship in the game overall, thus why it has cloak/stealth in the first place. Banning it just removes another portion of strategy from the game, just like banning levis did( levis + no private freqs = better than no levis at all ) because Weasels can and have been known to help out games. I have slipped into the flagroom and killed the terr, allowing my team to get into the flag room after getting our asses handed to us so many times that it's almost second nature to look for the openings to attack.

You have to look at this like a war game, because it is a war game. You wouldn't tell your army to stop using covert units that kill without being seen, and you wouldn't tell the enemy to stop using them either, you'd simply hunt them. So please, I mean the utmost respect, stop trying to get the game changed to fit your tastes just because you have no desire to have a bit of fear of a cloaked enemy. Cloaked enemies are what can make a game exciting. Look at Halo, those cloaked Elites pissed me off to the point where I played HARDER and got BETTER just so I could take them down more effectively.

Sorry for the long post.

[Dabram]

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
Sorry, Sir.
Your opinion.. Please type out everything... (eg: u = You)
Ruining the English language. Please die now.

Btw: I feel obligated to tell you that im drinking Margarita Mix.

What do you mean with "im"? And all those dots, isn't one dot at the end of a sentence enough? I completely lost track of what you're trying to say, Sir.