TW looking to hire Java coders to staff positions

[Kolar]

I certainly hadn't claimed or intended that it was the best solution. To be honest it feels like you're pandering to me here, and that doesn't make me feel very good.

I'm trying to end it by finding common ground here Qan. If this isn't the best solution then why run with it "sort it out later" when it could have a great impact on the zone, either way it's a risk.

I hardly think that coders are going to affect the quality of staffing on TW. If they do, I'd only imagine they'd raise it for the better.

I meant if there are too many coders with modified quotas putting more stress onto regular staffers. The coders like everyone with some kind of extra job on staff tend to be offline more often, even when it involves being online... You can balanace it out with more regular staffers i'm sure but you have to think about these kind of things before, not after.

From a couple quick conversations we had before I posted this, Kolar, and now this most recent post, I'm still willing to bet you're questioning whether these people will be good enough members of staff.

I never while talking to you said coders or individuals from TWDev were not fit to be staffers. Many TWDev players as individuals from my observations would not do the job well but that's after interacting with them and seeing what kind of a person they are and seeing examples of knowledge. Some could but i'm not prejuding them. Their affiliation or "job" in the zone has little to do with how well they could do staffing in TW to me. I will judge them like all new ZHs and people on Staffbot: as individuals. So no, your assumption is not accurate.


My only problem is with your solution to the problem (not having enough back end people to keep TW alive) and how that will effect the zone and staff. Do whatever you want Qan, you're the Smod here but sorting it out later hasn't really worked for anything in this zone in the 8 years that I've played it.

[Ikrit]

I meant if there are too many coders with modified quotas putting more stress onto regular staffers. The coders like everyone with some kind of extra job on staff tend to be offline more often, even when it involves being online... You can balanace it out with more regular staffers i'm sure but you have to think about these kind of things before, not after.

You mean like the whole.... 3 coders in lower staff that usually meet quota anyway?

[Kolar]

You mean like the whole.... 3 coders in lower staff that usually meet quota anyway?

Jacen, I'm stating that if the number of coders is raised with modified quotas then there would be more stress on staffers. And if you want to make a big deal about it you havent met quota for 2 months. It's a moot point so drop it.

[Ikrit]

Jacen, I'm stating that if the number of coders is raised with modified quotas then there would be more stress on staffers. And if you want to make a big deal about it you havent met quota for 2 months. It's a moot point so drop it.

Qan said that they're going to have to meet quota or they get kicked off, it's not that hard to do so they won't burn out if they put forth any effort.

And in regard to your comment about me (which was completely uncalled), I haven't even had <ER> for an entire month yet and as we both know stats on the website aren't always correct, I would have met quota in June without having the entire month to do it if the bot recorded all of my ad's.

[Kolar]

Qan said that they're going to have to meet quota or they get kicked off, it's not that hard to do so they won't burn out if they put forth any effort.

And in regard to your comment about me (which was completely uncalled), I haven't even had <ER> for an entire month yet and as we both know stats on the website aren't always correct, I would have met quota in June without having the entire month to do it if the bot recorded all of my ad's.

And I would have met my ER quota for July if I didn't have to start college. It had nothing to do with my statement anyways, about current coders meeting their quota. I'm sorry about my comment about the Advert, it was uncalled for but i'm getting a little bit pissed about you, Qan and all of TWDev thinking I'm totally against having coders on staff. I don't think Qan is gonna stop anyways, practically no one on this forum can bring themsleves to accept and agree with one another or agree to disagree and end their bullshit.

[Kolar]

There's a lot of questions here. I'm not trashing coders or TW Dev so why not think about this then decide on what you want to do Qan, Ikrit. I don't really care anymore because I'm not getting anything but being told i'm trashing your group. I care about TWStaff and the zone and I don't want things left sorted out after you decide to hire someone, after you decide to make a critial decision. Think about it, that's all.

[D1st0rt]

Kolar, you aren't under attack by anybody. You are being (not neccessarily wrongfully) critical and they are countering. It seems to me like this has been just a very wordy debate with only mild tensions underneath. I could be very wrong though

[qan]

I think d1s is right on the money here. We aren't really trying to antagonize you, Kolar. But you indirectly referred to my idea as foolish, and I would have been a fool not to want to defend it! It's an extremely natural human behavior, and it's how ideas are formed. Some scholars say that revolutions in philosophical understanding (which often generate innovations in other realms) follow a very predictable pattern: first one person puts forth an idea. Then another person puts forth an idea in almost direct opposition to it. Finally, a third idea comes about, a synthesis of the two, and this is often what is accepted. This challenging of the ideas of others is natural, and indeed extremely healthy for the good of everyone involved. The only problem is that when some strange undertones arise, and feelings get hurt, perhaps a low blow is exchanged, then hackles do tend to rise and it becomes more personal. But it doesn't look like there was any real harm done.

I understand you have some anxieties about this, but I honestly do believe: it's really not going to be a big deal. They'll probably do fine. And if they don't, we'll do what we have always done -- roll with the punches. Some staffers work out, some don't. I know that it's pretty casual, and perhaps even haphazard or irresponsible, but, hey, it's SubSpace, and we all do the best we can.

I don't think there will be a problem with taking up the positions of other staffers, either. At most we'll have probably 2 people join, and they're going to need to stay active. If we don't have enough help on the front end of things, we'll do what we've always done -- hire more people! (in the regular way) Unfortunately, staffers leave all the time. It's a constant and unending process.

[bubbles19518]

All you people talking about how it should all be written in C++ are just to lazy to learn JAVA.

[RoDNeY]

quota is a cool word its like a pokemon QUOTA QUOTA

[D1st0rt]

Honestly, if you know C++, you know Java because its almost identical except that its easier.

[DoCk>]

Java's a completely different animal from C++. I don't like C++ much, I find that unless you're programming windows desktop/server apps, or maintaining legacy code, there's not much real use for it.

Java's biggest claim to fame is that it is the top language for modern corporate infrastructure. If Google can build Gmail with it, it can do what you want it to do too. If you want to do programming for medium sized businesses and up, you'd better know Java.

I don't think any language is easier or harder than any other, either. I know a bunch by now, and they were all equally easy to pick up. I think of them as a toolbox from which one should draw the right tool for the job. Make your decision productivity wise... pick the language that can get the most work done in the least amount of time, and give you the desired level of performance.

[RoDNeY]

dock ur only 25??

[DoCk>]

I'm technically only 24...

[Kuukunen]

I don't think any language is easier or harder than any other,

Now that is wrong. Try assembler for example. Or have you ever played around with Brainfuck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrainFuck ? :P
What about Darkbasic then? (http://darkbasic.thegamecreators.com/) A lot easier than to program 3d games in qbasic.