Cheater calls in public arenas

[Kontrolz]

First off let me say I wouldn't create one of this "bitching" threads if I didn't think this was a serious problem and I'm not mad about a particular incident. Plus, I'm not so much bitching as I am just curious as to why moderators seem to have stopped doing their jobs.

The past couple of months the number of cheater calls that are taken in public arenas has been slimming down a lot. These aren't just cheater calls that I've sent, but cheater calls that an entire freq sends because there is a jackass who is teamkilling intentionally (and that's the only time I send a cheater call). The past couple of weeks though they haven't been getting answered at all, or if they do the moderator only comes after some bitching is done and a little abuse of ?cheater to get their attention. When did that become necessary? I thought it was a moderator's job to take a cheater call when it pops up, not after an entire freq sends it, then ?cheater is abused.

Here's an example that happened just today. There was a javelin on my freq that was teamkilling the hell out of us and it was clearly intentional. I sent a cheater call as did at least 2 other people. No moderator shows up for about 7 minutes after the calls were sent. So I abuse ?cheater just to get someone's attention, I of course get the robohelp bullshit message of abuse and FINALLY a moderator shows up but way too late, the guy has already changed ships.

I'm not the only person who knows that moderators are slacking off big time. Even certain moderators (who I wont name) admit to it themselves and admit they see it a lot more than they used to. So, since I'm not staff or knowlegable of this specific area I'm forced to post here hoping that someone will take it seriously and realize this is actually a problem. I don't know what should be done to fix it or could be done but I'm pretty sure that upper-staff isn't even aware this has become a problem. Hopefully this will at least get people in staff looking at the problem and talking about it so something gets done. Does anyone even know why this has happened?

[Kolar]

Even though I have seen many Moderators not taking public cheater calls lately the reality is many of them are aliasing and watching or just not using !tell onit to the players. I think the solution is to remove the bot system for tkers because too many staffers are relying on it and not real cheater calls.

[Kontrolz]

Even though I have seen many Moderators not taking public cheater calls lately the reality is many of them are aliasing and watching or just not using !tell onit to the players. I think the solution is to remove the bot system for tkers because too many staffers are relying on it and not real cheater calls.

As far as them using aliases. I know about this, and I can easily spot them, and have. I look for them (and know a few of the aliases, just not sure who is actually behind it). None have showed up during the calls im talking about. Just thought I'd clear that up, it's not that they are using their smod alias, it's that they aren't even showing up.

Edit: It's pretty sad when at least 3 people at the same time can send a ?cheater call and it doesn't get answered. As soon as you abuse ?cheater though you get a robohelp PM warning almost instantly. Someone can send that but can't take the call that at least 3 people sent.

[Subjugation]

They don't spec TK'ers or admit what the policy is when asked...you really expect justice in this thread?


http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=22818

[Subjugation]

Edit: Doubleposted....srry.

And thank you, Kolar.

[Kolar]

As far as them using aliases. I know about this, and I can easily spot them, and have. I look for them (and know a few of the aliases, just not sure who is actually behind it). None have showed up during the calls im talking about. Just thought I'd clear that up, it's not that they are using their smod alias, it's that they aren't even showing up.

Edit: It's pretty sad when at least 3 people at the same time can send a ?cheater call and it doesn't get answered. As soon as you abuse ?cheater though you get a robohelp PM warning almost instantly. Someone can send that but can't take the call that at least 3 people sent.

Unless you have access to Mod.txt or have a staffer tell you that PlayerX is a aliased staffer it is unlikely you would know them from others. They're not allowed to tell others, warn on those names or do anything like that so really this is just speculation. I know of two of them only myself. In any case I believe Moderators are showing up to a majority of the cheater calls but not all of them lately.

I agree that a lot of Mods need to focus on publics more. Some solutions would be to remove the bot reporting system, promote more staffers or give some select ERs aliased Moderator names (or just get them to alias on any name for tkers) and maybe focus on the problems of publics finally like giving the jav the xradar back, revert the weasel ect..

Edit: Policy on non-intentional team killing is to remove them (spec lock or locked in a wb/lanc) and if necessary give them a reduced ban. This is mainly to make sure new players know what they're doing is against the rules and gives them a chance to learn and change. It is easy to distinguish between the two and in both cases the player(s) are dealth with quickly. It is not policy or good practice to give the players further chances to interrupt the game because they are not familiar with our rules.

[Hakaku]

Some solutions would be to remove the bot reporting system, promote more staffers or give some select ERs aliased Moderator names (or just get them to alias on any name for tkers) and maybe focus on the problems of publics finally like giving the jav the xradar back, revert the weasel ect...

It would be nicer if staff responded much more often, but c'mon, the bot was useless from the start. It would help a lot more if the TK warning went to the person who did the TKing in the first place, not the person who got TK'ed. Or, do it so the message displays on both screens.

[WuTang420]

is it just me or does that bot only work about 1 out of 10 times anyways. i get tkd all day and hardly ever get a bot msg at all!

[Kolar]

It would be nicer if staff responded much more often, but c'mon, the bot was useless from the start. It would help a lot more if the TK warning went to the person who did the TKing in the first place, not the person who got TK'ed. Or, do it so the message displays on both screens.

What I mean is staffers are relying on the messages sent to them by the bots in publics when someone tks too much. I think most staffers focus on those calls and not real calls or even the ones sent through the bot from players. I think both should be scraped personally. Automated warnings/bans wouldn't work because team killing can be non-intentional or a true accident and should always be left up to a real person's observation.

I think it's designed to catch intentional team killers WuTang420 so the system will not always give you the option, only if and when it believes the team kill was intented (i.e number of tks on that person, number of times he/she tked you ect..).

[Ewan]

The fact he changed ships suggests someone dealt with it.

[O.M.G.]

Hey, I love getin tk'd just as much as the next guy in line.... But really the years that have progressed in this game it is true the staff is getting lazy. By that I mean using the alias's. Back when yea there was alias's but there was always someone there taking care of issues. I'm saying yea maybe get rid of the bot system, and go back to what it used to be like..
P.S.- And get rid of cloakers in pure pub. piece of sh*t ships....

[Money]

yea they rely on the bot?... even though ::report DOESNT EVEN WORK.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...................

[Kolar]

yea they rely on the bot?... even though ::report DOESNT EVEN WORK.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...................

That isn't what I was talking about.

[Kontrolz]

Well I don't know about you, but I pub... a lot. It's very easy for me to spot a smod alias because I recognize just about everyone who pubs also. I've PM'd a few of them and they asked how I knew, lol.

?cheater kontrolz, teamkilling
30 seconds later someone enters the arena that I haven't seen before with all 0's in their stats. That player stays in spec the whole time, then leaves the game completely. They told me not to name aliases or them because then they'd have to change the alias, said they trusted me.

So I look for an alias or any staffer to come into the arena from the time of the cheater call until about 5 minutes after. So let me be as clear as I can, in the incidents I've seen and the ones I am talking about, no staffers of any form, even aliased ones showed up. So in these incidents there's no excuse, especially seeing how a moderator clearly is there because after a little abuse of ?cheater one will show up. It's gotten to the point where you literally have to harass a moderator just to get one to show up and when they do they are too late anyway.

I just wanted to make it clear that what is happening is that moderators aren't doing their job. Not that they are and I just don't know it.

[bug]

06.03.25

DARK@ in Squad 13 over a TWENTY minute period did 87 INTENTIONAL tks and most of the freq reported it, i was tked 16x, ABSOLUTLY **NOTHING** was done about it other i got a warning about excessive use of cheater comand. The jerk-off is still playing and tking.

It is about time the game was changed to AUTOMATICALLY punishes jav that TK 10, 20, 50, 100 in it's own freq. That is the reason people play in lev free zones to *ss-wipe lev+ter do not intentionally TK the flipin entire flag area.