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  • #91
    Because Mr Mike's Engrish is terrible, this is THE single most commonly made mistake about the speedball rules, so lets clear it up right now:

    Being inside your goal on defense is NOT, I repeat NOT, illegal.

    Being inside the rocks (crease? goalbox?) of the goal you score on while the ball is past the halfcourt line IS illegal, you are offsides (think soccer).

    And under competitive speedball rules you can be warned, then specced for failing to clear the box. If you were going to set a bot up to police it, the bot would need to track the ball and warn offending players that they had 5 seconds to clear the rocks or be specced/warped to the center. Cherrypicking is also one of the reasons SB had wormhole grav disabled and ball prox decreased. You shouldn't be able to catch a pass that wouldn't clear the defensive rocks while sitting inside the crease.


    Lets just agree that area inside the defensive rocks is the crease, k?
    Last edited by wadi; 03-29-2006, 06:20 AM.

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    • #92
      okay, so it should be a rule that you can't sit inside your crease on defense all game long. sb doesn't have goalies. that's just the way it is.
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      • #93
        Originally posted by wadi
        Being inside your goal on defense is NOT, I repeat NOT, illegal.

        Lets just agree that area inside the defensive rocks is the crease, k?
        I could have sworn that actually being in the goal part on defense is illegal. I'm not talking about the crease, but the actual goal area.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by iKillburger
          I could have sworn that actually being in the goal part on defense is illegal. I'm not talking about the crease, but the actual goal area.
          ya i think so too, definitely

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          • #95
            of course that's illegal. if it happens, the goal counts anyway.
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            • #96
              I call passes to illegal creasers alley-oops. :greedy:

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              • #97
                There is nothing in the ORIGINAL speedball rules about playing goalie, infact several matches in the last tournament thingy featured both teams using a permanent defender inside the crease. As far as standing in the actual goal, again, there's nothing in the ORIGINAL rules about it being illegal, it's just usually not smart to do, as any reasonably competent striker can fuck up your shit before you can clear the ball. If people want to sit in the goal on D, I say let them. One less person actually playing for that team.

                On a side note, back in ye' olden days, ZB beat SBU in an exhibition match by scoring twice, then hiding the ball in our goal and killing anyone who came near. Comedy cramps.

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                • #98
                  i certainly want to stay true to the origins of the game, but i also believe that a minor rule change such as "don't sit within your own goal all game long" isn't straying from the original so much as to make a huge difference.

                  i understand you and agree that a dude playing goalie is pretty stupid anyway, considering the nature of the game and the advantage of having your whole team moving with the ball. with a no-goalie rule in place, it would force everyone to stay in on the action, and that's what i, personally, like to see.
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                  • #99
                    My personal POV:
                    • Nothing needs to be changed. Just a bot is needed, not a new game.
                    • The settings in ?go #strikeball will suffice (wormholes off for competitive play). That means strict warbirds vs. javelins, like how ball-games in subspace traditionally are.
                    • I believe all proposed changes so far has been based on personal wants only.

                    I appreciate the work being done on a new bot but I see no need for a new anything-else.


                    Additionally:
                    • ?go strikeball is fucked. (The game ends at 100 goals, the wormhole is dead, etc.)

                    Someone a while ago decided to fuck with the settings and not clear up their mistake.
                    Could someone with the relavant powers do the simple and much much belated task of just copying the ?go #strikeball data to ?go strikeball please.
                    It just so happens nobody decided to fuck with ?go #strikeball so it's okay to use that.

                    The only reason people started playing in ?go AutoSB is because nobody wanted to play a game to 100 goals. We are not meant to be playing in ?go AutoSB without a bot. That is why you can enter in any ship, because writing a bot to deal with an arena with soccer settings is tedious.

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                    • sage

                      If it weren't for the off settings and wormhole, I'd be playing there BECAUSE it has 100 goals.

                      No wormholes and wbvjav and for sure, not only do I not support division, I also do not support 'league'. But this is the stance I've always had, and it's because that's how the shit was, and of course how it would be used once people kept showing up in the arena.
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                      • well that's an argument that you know you'll lose creager, save your energy for hugging mary and finding me above the elbow homey. division and league are inevitable. long live tooty.


                        i actually do like the 100 goals in ?go strikeball, not much of a "game" unless you're in for the long haul but allows for long uninterupted play, good practice arena. fix the wormhole though, yeah. we're gonna need more than one arena it looks like, there's been at least 20 people in autosb every night for a while.
                        Last edited by Divine Rides; 03-30-2006, 04:55 PM.
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                        • Throttle is the first of, what I hope to be, many strikeball squads to come. Contact me if you're interested.
                          Originally posted by Vatican Assassin
                          i just wish it was longer
                          Originally posted by Cops
                          it could have happened in the middle of a park at 2'oclock in the afternoon while your parents were at work and I followed you around all afternoon.

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                          • It's not an argument and its not me losing it, it is me not playing the shit with people.
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                            • heh, i love you and i hate you creager. wanna play a little tonight? I promise it will be no worse than one person you hate on our team at any given time.
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                              • Originally posted by Cylor
                                Throttle is the first of, what I hope to be, many strikeball squads to come. Contact me if you're interested.
                                One was made back when no one played and after last season, it is still going strong now.[Edit: Not a squad for whatever stupid bot organized game rank fest shit. Just playing strikeball.]

                                I suppose I may play, but the second certain people show up I get pretty done.
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