Publics

[Mootland Farmer]

I feel the need to start a new thread about this, because there are going to be (and there already have been) some changes to Public arenas. I have had a few heated discussions with staff over how Publics should be. Coming from these discussions are that we should keep the existing Publics as they are. All changes are pretty much to be made to the first few Publics only. What seems to be the case, is that everyone is worried about someone spoiling their LTing, dueling etc in Publics.

Now this zone is primarily about basing. That's what the Zone Objectives say. Even with my biased opinion, that's actually what Trench Wars is all about. Therefore, all changes we do should be done to all Publics right? After all, we want everyne to experience basing. This would increase the basing community for some more competition and thus enlarge the basing pool.

Now, these ideas of keeping a different Public scare me. One for basing, one for LTing, one for Timed-Games etc. I honestly don't see how this is beneficial to the zone? As I stated in my (our) Zone Objectives, other gameplay would still be possible.

When I suggested we take away Pure Publics (in staff chat), I got a cry of shock and horror. Have I, Mootland Farmer, created something that has destroyed Publics? I think a good solution to this would to be make all arenas the same. A list of my changes are below;

1) Remove restrictions on Leviathans in the first two arenas, but change the map subtly so that LeviTerrs aren't as effective. I'm talking about filling in some holes around base etc. Nothing inside of base, so don't worry about that. (Change the map according to my prosposal).

2) Have Timed-Matches in all Publics. Now there are a few types of games we could have, points race, time race etc. Now, all information about how this system would be available to the Public, what the games are, and how it runs. Also, we would have players voting to what games they want, they could also vote for no game if they wanted. There would still be the option for staff to remove frequencies or enable them.

I want your opinions about this topic, as it definately warrents more discussion. Cheers.

[Hakaku]

I second this motion. In a way, it's a bit how it felt with the old sets from three years ago or so. It was fun having LTs, chasing them down, jumping in that fat ship and becoming enemy #1. No one complained, because every pub was just about the same. The one thing that's also better is to focus on basing.

I just wish you'd revert the weasel to either a) small + unweaken it, or b) make it big again + unweaken it. It's now even more useless than how the leviathan is perceived.

[Dr. Snyder]

I think the first two pubs should have private frequencies disabled with levis allowed. other than that... pure pubs are the spawn of satan and the only reason I got into them is to get free kills from poor devoted basers by mining entrance of bursting in annoying places.

[Richard Creager]

You can slam on 15 minutes to all the other pubs, but keep 0 at 3 consecutive.
But it'd be worthless with levs, levs in the pub=no basing, especially for me since I have to dedicate my playing time at that point in spawning them off the server or until they get the hell out of the ship.
Exactly how is the purepub a spawn of satan snyder? The most intense basing I've ever seen in any pub has happened in there without levs, and basing IS the premise of the zone, meanwhile in the nonpure pubs people priv freq and LT and then everyone who is even trying to base (which is already an insanely tiny amount for any pub that isn't pure) has to leave to hunt your asses down and avoid a random powerbomb coming and killing them. Now you tell me, how exactly is that what was intended for the game to be? Do you honestly think that's fun? You'd be in the vast minority for that.

[Maurauth]

Leave them as they are, or make levi a weaker ship like a heavy jav. Make it a bit faster, but give it l2 bombs with a small radius, but say 3 shrap in a triangle, and remove the restriction on attachbounty.

I think it would be an okay idea to devote say, the last 2 pubs to just any old playing, remove all restrictions on them and allow a plain turf game to play in the background just incase. But keep the other pubs to this voteing style base assortment.

[Zerzera]

There are doors you could use to reshape the publics?

Have door 1 create a shield around the entire top of base and have bot turn it on/off according to the type of public you have.

[Mootland Farmer]

A fellow staffer mentioned an idea similar to what you're saying Torquil. Sounds like the perfect idea.

[Maurauth]

Also, if you don't want x to be messing up basing as much as it is, you could place warp tiles in the small enterances into the FR, so that bombs and bullets go through, but not ships.

[Doc Flabby]

lets only allow 1 terra, 2 sharks and 5 spiders in pub on each freq :fear: then watch tw's population plummit....

on a different note some people in pub are talking about BaseBot and how good it was, and that people acctually played as a team... i missed it what was it?

[duel pasta]

okay,pff! ALL PUBS ARE CONNECTED TO EACH OTHER! change a thing on the map for onepub IT WILL BE FOR ALL PUBS so you can't have one arena where lev is more affective or less affecive...

[Fluffz]

1. the currne levi setting is to easy and no map change could ever stop me at abusing them to destroy every attempt of basing

2. bring Qan's bot to all pubs

3. give us effective TK protection and variable ship restictions in pubs, and change these restrictions every week, maybe along with the map. along with more special weekends

4. the cloaker needs a repel

5. mini games in pub

6. host more and do it with style.

[Vehicle]

The way to fix pub:

1. Make the weasel the old weasel.

2. Put an altbase style shield around the base to keep levi's the hell out

3. Allow levi's in all pubs

4. 15 minute timed games with most flag time deciding the winning freq

5. This is the most difficult thing to enable but if you do it, i'll love you forever. Using FACTS, create different tile overlays for the pubmap. Then, allow players to private message the bot with a number corresponding to a tile overlay, which would then enable that objon only for the individual. This way, people can pick which tileset they enjoy the most and use it, but having no retroactive effect on the other players.

[Izor]

what is the point of a levi if you're going to make it useless by restricting all the shots?

[Dameon Angell]

Note: on the LTs, filling up holes in the base is a start, but you need to just put a large, protective bubble around that shit so the bombs can't get to the FR, and eliminate the idiots who just sit and roof all day.

[Ephemeral]

What arenas were in place (in the past) when TW had better numbers? What other things have changed since then?

What about running a simple 'Basing Summer Camp' a few times per month where staffers would captain (but not play) actual 'real' base games. Newer players only, and for those players who wanted to learn the game and how to base properly. Staffers would pick teams and help players during the game.

Another idea would be to start a 'big brother' type of help during these games. An experienced player (who cares) could spec a single newer player for the entire game and offer suggestions on better play.