Publics

[Spikester]

I dont think filling up the holes would be a solution because many levterrs attack the base by entering it and then warping out, which also ruins the idea of basing in public arenas.

[PureOwnage]

TW had the most population when the map was completly open (as far as side shots in FR) and the settings where with the larger weasel. There was no PurePub or any of that. The only bot that would ever come into the arena was Mr. Arrogant 2.

[Ikrit]

TW had the most population when the map was completly open (as far as side shots in FR) and the settings where with the larger weasel. There was no PurePub or any of that. The only bot that would ever come into the arena was Mr. Arrogant 2.

And since that time games like Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft have released. I remember when pubs were basically dead and no one with more than 20 hours of usage would go there. After bot was added to give the game a bit of meaning, they picked back up a bit.

[Stabwound]

5. This is the most difficult thing to enable but if you do it, i'll love you forever. Using FACTS, create different tile overlays for the pubmap. Then, allow players to private message the bot with a number corresponding to a tile overlay, which would then enable that objon only for the individual. This way, people can pick which tileset they enjoy the most and use it, but having no retroactive effect on the other players.

Holy shit. Do this in EVERY arena.

[Chao.]

Note: on the LTs, filling up holes in the base is a start, but you need to just put a large, protective bubble around that shit so the bombs can't get to the FR, and eliminate the idiots who just sit and roof all day.

You can find something in TWDev called ?go pubshield where i've used tile 241, which absorbs bullets/bombs on contact, to outline the Flagroom, tell me what you think.

[Dameon Angell]

Yeah, that's pretty badass, actually. But, I would only line the outside of the FR with it, not the inside (facing the Mid), I think explosions from jav bombs and stuff from the mid should be fair game.

[Chao.]

Yeah, that's pretty badass, actually. But, I would only line the outside of the FR with it, not the inside (facing the Mid), I think explosions from jav bombs and stuff from the mid should be fair game.

Agreed 100%, it isn't coated on the inside.

[bubbles19518]

I like the idea of bringing LTs back into first two pubs. I know a lot of people hate LTs, but personally I like it. LTing really died when they disabled levis in the first two pubs. I think it would add an interesting dynamic to the game if you filled in some of the flagroom holes but allowed LTing back into the game.

[genocidal]

I like the subs from Publix.

[Sufficient]

All you need to do is make the lev have less dmg radius so it becomes more of a skill ship than a hit-anywhere-nearby-and-everyone-dies ship. It can still be a one-hit kill bomber, but just reduce it's one-hit kill radius.

[Hakaku]

I really don't think adding tile #241 will solve the problem, if anything, LTs don't stay there (roof) more than 3 seconds before going to a better location. The main problems are when they go inside base with 3 levis attached and sit there all night long. A few tiles on the map could be moved & added, and little modification to the levi would make pub better.

For the levi, I propose either that you reduce the blast radius of the L3 bomb, reduce the speed of the levi's bomb and/or limit the levi to one per freq.

[Dr. Snyder]

Before we add more complexity to a zone that have appealingly simple pubs, why don't we tone the levi down making it less powerful in the spalsh damage department l3->l2 bombs... and some shrap... then stop all this pure madness.

I got to 596 bounty as a shark the other day never once attaching to a terr in the timed basing pub simply by mining entrance.... and people bitch about lting?

[Izor]

All you need to do is make the lev have less dmg radius so it becomes more of a skill ship than a hit-anywhere-nearby-and-everyone-dies ship. It can still be a one-hit kill bomber, but just reduce it's one-hit kill radius.

you mean a jav?

sigh I had a whole post pretty much written and then I blue screened. Basically the point of it was that everyone is blaming the wrong things and coming up with the wrong solutions.

Problem: levis ruin basing, which is the 'main objective'

Result of the current fix: basing is in pubs but very uneven

Making something even more complex is not going to fix the problem. It's going to open another problem. Allow me to explain. The suggested idea of using the tile that absorbs bombs on the outside of fr will force levis to shoot where they can - mid base. This just so happens to be where the team at a disadvantage is. Why would you force people to further drive the stake in the losing team?

I'll go as far to say that you're going to take this even to the next level, and put blocks up to prevent most of the shots into lower base. If this is the case, what is the point of having levs in the first place? Its an endless cycle of trying to fix something thats really not broken in the first place.

The main problem here is newbs who are posting like they know what they're talking about. They didnt play back in the days where the only arenas to play were elims and pubs, and eventually elims pubs and twd. Some people like Ikrit seem to remember times when pubs were dead. I dont remember any of that. Yes some pubs were dead at a given time, but it was always random. I also remember some of the veteran squads at the time coming over and taking the fr. they did this because it was a challenge dealing with the pub freq noobs + LT's bombing away at them.

I will say this though. That ear block should not have ever been removed. I dont know who thought it was a good idea or why anyone would ever do it, but the shots with that, both shark and lev, are way too powerful.

[Richard Creager]

I got to 596 bounty as a shark the other day never once attaching to a terr in the timed basing pub simply by mining entrance.... and people bitch about lting?

That is nowhere near as commonplace as LTing.

[Lemmin]

IMO Removing the pure pubs would be a step backwards. I and others campaigned for years to get them put in in the first place, and they have shown themselves to be the most popular public arenas for a good reason.

If you take them away, its going to annoy a large minority of people, many of whom are players who have been playing for the longest time, and who are going to be even more likely to find something else to play (or even move back to the real world).

Why try and homogenise all the pubs anyway? Variety is always better. Lots of people like to do different things, and will choose to go to a higher pub for LTing, or pub2 to take over the flag on a private freq.

Moot, I don't understand why you think you have killed basing - its alive and well, and more intense than ever with the pure pubs. The fact that we have less people in pubs is a problem with the general decline of Subspace and TW, rather than a problem with pubs. We are trying to address that with the TW Marketting campaign - changing the pubs isn't going to help, and might well drive people away.

LEM