Trench Wars Today

[Purple Heart]

Huh

I honestly believe that having multiple sections to post is the best way to go about running a forum. This has been brought up before by other various posters in this very thread. Epinephrine stated some posts ago, that when he is bored and has nothing important really left to do at a given time, he just posts in other parts of the forums for the sake of passing time. Okay, so saying this does have a point, and I'll make it.

By having just this forum section, and to take away all those other 'misc.' sections, you would see alot of other crap being filled up in here, and it would be far more annoying than it is right now (if it IS even annoying to begin with, which it really isn't for me personally).

The other sections of these forums, already have established 'forum-goers' that pass by and make posts in a place that they have been before. According to you, making changes in this situation (I'm going to take a wild guess) is to remove those other sections of the forums. You wouldn't be doing anything more than taking away a place for those people to post, and making these forums a boring place by simply having only a 'trenchwars only' section to post at. Players in this zone, post here, and other places around the forum, and different place within them. I once posted in this one 'religion' topic area, and I got into it, and I typed, and I enjoyed. Why remove that?

I'm not trying to say that your idea of removing this is 'omg this is bad don't do it we will perish', I am trying to state my opinion, as you did yours, and had requested to speak freely, as you are doing, and everyone else is. Serious players who have a need for a serious place to talk, do have one in the TWL forums, it's not like the side sections here are taking people away from this 'trenchwars' section, it's only bringng more, and perhaps the forums can make a connection to the game itself, and more people will come by and play it, who knows, perhaps just a small chance, but anything helps, and everything adds up.

Btw, I think all the forum sections OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111oneoneone

Edit: My avatar owns all of your avatar's.

[Tyson]

This thread is just going back and forth without anything happening. Its basically a discussion between Troll and I followed by 3,4 other guys with a few sentences. I will halt my replies here with this final post.

Pure_Luck if you are reading this I got about 10 minutes give or take before the forum whores fill this with 4 more pages and completely swalow this post.

Here are some of my ideas I thought of while being at work to help improve the current state of the game.

1. Compress the forum down Already explained why, scroll up if you please. Its right to your left past all the useless posts.

2. Restrict, regulate or make it harder to create more than one nickname outside of TWD. For every other nick you could maybe impose some type of penalty or make it harder to attain in general.

3. Increase the amount of players that pub 0 can hold. New players will log onto Trench Wars and get warped right into the heat of the battle while still having personal space. I think Pub 0 can sustain 80 players. This is what the game is about shooting ships and hardcore basing.

4. Extend TWL season. Compress all teams into one big conference. Start giving older TWL participating squads something in return for not dissolving. TWL is the juice of Trench Wars the one thing at the top of the mountain. Its the shiznit so to say of this game and you can attract so many players by advertising TWL the right way.

5. Start advertising squads along with the game. Maybe create a whole new page just dedicated to squads, their history, the good ones, the not so good ones, squad news, rivalries, articles, links to squad websites etc... Make rookies say "wow this is fun, I am going to practice hard to make this squad".

6. Trench Wars is generally hard to figure out. When you install the game you dont get pictofied guidelines but you do however get alot of help sentences. When you first start Trench Wars there should be a picture with a brief explanation of what the player's main objective is. I remember when one of my good friends Milos started playing this game, I spent alot of time explaining him all the commands etc...


Oh no here they come (angry responses and paragraphs zooming through the hallways)!!! Try and hold them off, I am not finished yet!!


So those are my ideas. They might not be well constructed or very good or even possible to make but they could maybe open up some minds that will open doors to even better concepts. Its something to fire up everyone. And by the responses to this thread I'd pretty much say that regardless of whether you agree or not I am pushing a hot topic.

Thank you for reading and adios (puts on his jet packs, escapes and watches Troll King, Liquid Blue, Jerome, Jeenyuss, The Searcher, Sleuth and the rest of you devour Mantra as well as the other guy that agreed with me) :grin:

[PH]

My thoughts on the situation are as follows:

[Centurion]

My thoughts on the situation are as follows:

I concur.

[Troll King]

Get over yourself. You're ignoring everyone's posts including several ones that you need to address if you want to prove your point. If you looked at my last post, you will see that even WoW's forums, which you hold up as a model, has an overwhelmingly large number of active threads and posts in the Off-Topic discussions with very few active posts in the game-related ones. Your very own example proves that your "suggestion" does not work. You have still yet to prove that this was a good idea, and so far, your only attempt to do that just got heavily refuted without even a response from you. It's very easy to dismiss everyone else's posts as useless. I could have very well done that about everything you've said so far, but I made the effort to actually prove it. Not only did you ignore all dissenting points and conveniently labelled them "useless", you also put special emphasis in thanking the few times someone agreed with you.

Instead, your last two posts just reinforced my earlier point: that you have a misguided view of how this forum operates and you are less concerned about improving actual issues and more concerned about addressing that misguided view, a view something that numerous people here who are more active and familiar with this forum than you are, have shown to be far from the reality.

Stop trying to mash in several other points that people agree with while hiding behind your faulty first point.

[Liquid Blue]

It's easier for him to ignore your last post and the many others that bring up valid points about his previous accusations and opinions while bringing in other thoughts than to actually adress anything. He has no substance to his complaints, he doesn't even bother trying to discuss them, he simply states his misguided opinion and rambles on about how everyone is against him.

[Jeenyuss]

3. Increase the amount of players that pub 0 can hold. New players will log onto Trench Wars and get warped right into the heat of the battle while still having personal space. I think Pub 0 can sustain 80 players. This is what the game is about shooting ships and hardcore basing.

Eighty players? Are you fucking stupid? First off, we don't have near the population to make that happen. It can be a struggle to get that many players to weekend events, let alone an every day pub. Second, do you know how retarded and 80 player flagroom battle would be? The answer is very. Very retarded.

[Epinephrine]

I shall reply to all your points. Don't take it personally, but I have been involved in many of the things which you mentioned so I have special interest and experience with them:

1. Compress the forum down Already explained why, scroll up if you please. Its right to your left past all the useless posts.

Don't read the sub forums if they piss you off so much. They don't change the game, they make the forums more fun for some people who like the sub-forums. They don't hurt anyone. And important threads in the TW forum and TWL forum still get addressed anyway. There is no dilution of important threads going on. To give a very recent example. Wark's thread about automation resulted in Zombies being limited to weekends yet again thanks to my suggestion in that thread.

2. Restrict, regulate or make it harder to create more than one nickname outside of TWD. For every other nick you could maybe impose some type of penalty or make it harder to attain in general.

You cannot do this without changing the billing server. Sure we could make some bot which made it so that it would ban you if you used other names or something, but who would actually support that? A lot of people like using multiple names for legitimate reasons (including many people on staff who won't want to be harassed). Just recruit more carefully when you run a squad.

3. Increase the amount of players that pub 0 can hold. New players will log onto Trench Wars and get warped right into the heat of the battle while still having personal space. I think Pub 0 can sustain 80 players. This is what the game is about shooting ships and hardcore basing.

It recently got increased to 40. Let's see how that does first before making it mayhem and 80! This game was designed for 30 players, but since 10 are in spec at all times, I think 40 is a good number. And yes that was my idea.

4. Extend TWL season. Compress all teams into one big conference. Start giving older TWL participating squads something in return for not dissolving. TWL is the juice of Trench Wars the one thing at the top of the mountain. Its the shiznit so to say of this game and you can attract so many players by advertising TWL the right way.

This would fail miserably. Squads have trouble sticking together for 10 weeks as it is, if you made it twice as long, squads would be dropping like flies. It is the nature of Trench Wars. Even the 'active' squads have activity problems during the middle of the season and don't really become active until the final playoff push.

Besides, you posted this in the wrong forum this is the general TW forum, not the TWL forum.

5. Start advertising squads along with the game. Maybe create a whole new page just dedicated to squads, their history, the good ones, the not so good ones, squad news, rivalries, articles, links to squad websites etc... Make rookies say "wow this is fun, I am going to practice hard to make this squad".

Who's going to do this? Who has the time? If you want to do it, I will support you fully. Go for it dude, and we'll put it on the main website. Just do a good job with it.

6. Trench Wars is generally hard to figure out. When you install the game you dont get pictofied guidelines but you do however get alot of help sentences. When you first start Trench Wars there should be a picture with a brief explanation of what the player's main objective is. I remember when one of my good friends Milos started playing this game, I spent alot of time explaining him all the commands etc...

That's why there's helpbot, www.trenchwars.org, this forum, ZHs and F1. Subspace is one of the simplist games out there, with Trench Wars being the easiest by far. If you can't figure it out after 10 minutes, I don't know what to say.

Again, you cannot change what you get when you install the game without changing the Continuum client. We can't do that without PriitK. Since he isn't here... we can't do it. If you want to write a really good pictorial tutorial and make it helpful, again I will get it put on the main website. Go for it!

[Dameon Angell]

Alright, Tyson actually made one good point. We need a new LVZ overlay for when you enter pub. I'm gonna photochop (err.. who am I kidding? MSPaint 4 Life) something up to show you. I can draw up the LVZ, I only need someone to add it in who knows how.

But, reciently, I think day 2 of the RoboQueen Lockout, we hosted a game of pub with a room limit of about 80 or so, actually. Now, what transpired is a list of everything that is wrong with an 80 player pub game.

-Out of the 80 players, 70 were javs, 9 were terrs and 1 was a shark.
-Out of all those javs there were more teamkills than real kills
-The game mainly degenerated into a spawning contest in the spawn zone
-After heavy modifications to whoever can pick what ship (ie: 1 terr, 2 sharks, 3 javs, 3 warbirds, 0 levs, 0 weasels, inf spiders) the game became more playable, but it was just a spamming of red bullets with no real change in the flow of the battle.

[Nimrook]

80 people in one basing map.. sure it will be fun.. but it will be laggy as hell.. and the new players will dislike people eats after every eats in the pub and start leaving..

so 80 people wouldnt work out..

TWL season.. ummm.. making it longer will be tough.. i think TWL now.. taking like 6 months or a bit less to complete one season is sorta long already.. and plus.. not everyone can make it every weekend to play a TWL game

and a special website to let rookie in? i am not buying this idea.
1. More money to whoever is hosting
2. That excess money spent might not even fullfil the actual purpose


oo and one more point i want to make.... seriously.. if i NEVER heard of this game or NEVER seen it.. and a friend of mine tell me that this game is fun then finds out it's a 2D game.. i dont think those people will stay long

i tried to ask a few friends to play this game.. they just didnt enjoy it cause of the 2D graphics

the majority of the people who plays a LOT in this zone are prob the people who been playing for awhile and know some people on the game that they can talk with

[Dameon Angell]

edit: new picture below

Now, some minor points. 1.) Yes, I know the quality is utter shit. I made it in 3 minutes. 2.) Yes, I know it looks very drab, ugly, devoid of art ... I made it in 3 minutes. But yeah, this is just an idea of what we should put on the front of you entering a pub.

[Sleuth]

Elite at worst Dameon.

Btw.. 80 people in one pub...ARE U ON CRACK? THATS LOIKE 65 JAVS, 2 SPIDS, REST TERRS ALL BEING FUQQD.

[Dameon Angell]

We came up with a better idea on Staff Chat for it. Leave it as a sidebar. It'll be able to stay on the screen longer (to provide more information), without obscuring your vision from the game.

[Richard Creager]

OH of course, making the publimits 40 was your idea Epi...

[Vatican Assassin]

This thread is actually the same thread repeated 4 times. Tyson gave an idea, eevryone politely tells him it wouldn't work. He states it all over again, with bold subtitles, everyone takes a deep breath and tells him why it wouldn't work. He cuts it down, making it clear and concise, the same suggestions. People begin telling him no with force. Tyson finally begins to beg, staff caves and eliminates all forums. TW doubles in size the next day.

One thing about the forums that might actually help activity and player population would be to request squads to move their private forums into TWForums, and give them a private area and admin abilities. Might get people talking about TW more, maybe even start setting up matches like back in those good 'ol days. If anyone has some ideas, maybe something extra could be included in their forum if they make TWL Playoffs, they make it into a higher Forum section, or are gauranteed an ALL Star Slot, or hey i know TWL Champs get a special sticker gold star next to their avatar! Just think of the possibilities! Gold stars!

And one more thing, although I doubt Tyson will like it, but another subforum for all these sticky threads would be nice, they're ugly. :headbang: