What is TW's definition of racism?

[Vykromond]

I find it odd that people are less offended by racism than they are by the idea that racism should be fought. What does that say about them? If this problem is being blown out of proportion, then it's not staff or the rules that is doing that. Just look at the people who are always bringing this up on the forums. If anyone is making this out to be bigger than it should be, it's them.

It's about time that we stop treating people who make racist comments as victims. This isn't an issue just because staff decided to enforce racism rules. It's an issue because people act like idiots and don't want to be held accountable for what they do or say. Many argue that if there were no rules against it, there'd be no racism. That's a bunch of bullshit. What's truer though, is that if there were no racism, there wouldn't have to be any rules about it.

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as for the turn this thread is taking, i told you folks it was going places!!

[eelam <tw>]

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Well i just recently got banned from tw for saying "damn nigs " ( refering to mambo players ) for them not being able to get 1 more player. The environment where i said this was me and pistole alone in twjd3 and i said it in yellow. Fizzy than comes 2 seconds later and bans me without a warning. Does this live up the racism rule? lol my being banned is pretty pathetic .

[Dack Falu]

For starters Subjugation, the human race is no more than 7000 years old, so everything falls under 10,000 years. Of course, I don't buy the evolutionary nonsense, so that does change my dating significantly.

Nonsense!

[Kolar]

Sorry Blueblaze but you haven't even consider the "evidence" as you call it. The Grand Canyon could not have formed in 7 days or in any extremely short geological time frame. There's no evidence to support the idea that it formed over 7 days or even thousands of years and if you're not going to provide this thread with any then it's a moot point, it's religion not science. The theory of evolution doesn't even try to explain the time frame in which humans came into being, it doesn't even try to explain the origins of the earth or the universe. It simply shows that species over millions of years can adapt to their surroundings to become more "fit" to survive. There are mountains of evidence and testing to support that theory, it is not "just another theory" or something to consider along side your creationism.

You nor I should be debating this anyways, last time I checked my background was in computer science not biology, I have to assume you hold no degree (nor are obtaining one) in any scientific field so why debate it? why try to refute and subvert science if you can barely understand it? You're a fundamentalist and most likely a benign one at that but in this secular democracy I still have to respect your right to believe in whatever crack pot shit you want. Why is it Blueblaze that you and people like you ignore that right for everyone else?

[Pummel]

As well as any other evolution supporting comment; since its widely accepted that evolution exists, then it must be true! Actually, I believe that oh, about 7000 years ago God created the universe, earth, animals, plants, and men in 7 days. I take the Genesis 1 account of creation as the literal method and time that God created everything we see. As well, I believe about a thousand years ago that, there was a great flood, which produce much of the 'evidence' to evolution, such as the Grand Canyon for example which is claimed to be eroded by the Colorado river over millions of years. Anyway, in a flood something like that could carve out within minutes to hours, not millions of days. As well, I'm not someone who is blindly believing in the Bible while ignoring all these 'proofs' of evolution. Part of it is faith that God really created everything as He says He did, and the other part is knowing that the evolutionary theory has many weaknesses within it, and never can actually claim that a 7000 year earth is impossible.

[Voth]

[PH]

[Blueblaze]

Sorry Blueblaze but you haven't even consider the "evidence" as you call it. The Grand Canyon could not have formed in 7 days or in any extremely short geological time frame. There's no evidence to support the idea that it formed over 7 days or even thousands of years and if you're not going to provide this thread with any then it's a moot point, it's religion not science. The theory of evolution doesn't even try to explain the time frame in which humans came into being, it doesn't even try to explain the origins of the earth or the universe. It simply shows that species over millions of years can adapt to their surroundings to become more "fit" to survive. There are mountains of evidence and testing to support that theory, it is not "just another theory" or something to consider along side your creationism.

You nor I should be debating this anyways, last time I checked my background was in computer science not biology, I have to assume you hold no degree (nor are obtaining one) in any scientific field so why debate it? why try to refute and subvert science if you can barely understand it? You're a fundamentalist and most likely a benign one at that but in this secular democracy I still have to respect your right to believe in whatever crack pot shit you want. Why is it Blueblaze that you and people like you ignore that right for everyone else?

As far as my credibility ;p is concerned, my major is not biology, but that doesn't mean I am illeducated. I've spent countless hours studying what I believe, including this. As well, you ask, "why debate it?" I ask, what if heaven and hell are real, and what if there is a God that really created this, what is wise, to live ignorant of God and hope that its fake, or know what you believe on a foundation. It is foolish to go through life with a belief you don't know. You can't render a reason to anyone who questions yourself, nor can you assure and confidently know what you believe.

You can believe that the Grand Canyon was formed over millions of years because of the effects of time, or you can believe that in the flood about 6000 years ago, the Grand Canyon was carved out quickly. Since I hope you know what you believe, I'll tell you what I believe. The earth was watered, by rain and underground water which caused the ground to saturate and fill with water. I believe a lake was formed next to the sight of the Grand Canyon, then the water overflowed from that lake, and quickly created the Grand Canyon in a matter of hours or possibly minutes, as the ground was already wet and muddy. Thus, the Colorado River and the Grand Canyon were formed. Now, if you do believe the Colorado River carved out the Grand Canyon slowly over millions of years, do tell me why the southern end of the river is of higher altitude than the northern end of the water. The water cannot carve something upstream, thus creating a problem with the evolutionary theory concerning the canyon. As well, the geological layers (also known as the geological column) on the Grand Canyon walls, can happen because the dirt was wet, and anytime there is a heavy amount of water with dirt, it will form layers. It also can happen if there is a lengthy amount of time, which evolutionists believe. The only problem is, if it happens in a lengthy amount of time, then these layers will be consistant around a large radius near the canyon in other canyons. Which is the method scientists use to get an estimated date on things, by finding out what geological rock layer the object (such as a bone) is in, by the time table created. Anyway, never in two places are these layers the same, but they are found jumbled everywhere throughout the world, which is a problem for the evolutionist.

Regardless, the evolutionary theory, is not a fact, but it is as I said a theory. Theories are not 100%, nor are they fully accurate, and in many cases can and have been thrown out. Remember, if evolution was a fact, then why do they change the dates on things almost every year? Why do they change timelines, dates, 'missing-links', and other "facts" if they are really facts? A fact means its 100% proven true in all cases, which is not what evolution is.

[Pummel]

As far as my crediability is concerned, my major is not biology, but that doesn't mean I am illeducated. I've spent countless hours studying what I believe, including this. As well, you ask, "why debate it?" I ask, what if heaven and hell are real, and what if there is a God that really created this, what is wise, to live ignorant of God and hope that its fake, or know what you believe on a foundation. It is foolish to go through life with a belief you don't know. You can't render a reason to anyone who questions yourself, nor can you assure and confidently know what you believe.

You can believe that the Grand Canyon was formed over millions of years because of the effects of time, or you can believe that in the flood about 6000 years ago, the Grand Canyon was carved out quickly. Since I hope you know what you believe, I'll tell you what I believe. The earth was watered, by rain and underground water which caused the ground to saturate and fill with water. I believe a lake was formed next to the sight of the Grand Canyon, then the water overflowed from that lake, and quickly created the Grand Canyon in a matter of hours or possibly minutes, as the ground was already wet and muddy. Thus, the Colorado River and the Grand Canyon were formed. Now, if you do believe the Colorado River carved out the Grand Canyon slowly over millions of years, do tell me why the southern end of the river is of higher altitude than the northern end of the water. The water cannot carve something upstream, thus creating a problem with the evolutionary theory concerning the canyon. As well, the geological layers (also known as the geological column) on the Grand Canyon walls, can happen because the dirt was wet, and anytime there is a heavy amount of water with dirt, it will form layers. It also can happen if there is a lengthy amount of time, which evolutionists believe. The only problem is, if it happens in a lengthy amount of time, then these layers will be consistant around a large radius near the canyon in other canyons. Which is the method scientists use to get an estimated date on things, by finding out what geological rock layer the object (such as a bone) is in, by the time table created. Anyway, never in two places are these layers the same, but they are found jumbled everywhere throughout the world, which is a problem for the evolutionist.

Regardless, the evolutionary theory, is not a fact, but it is as I said a theory. Theories are not 100%, nor are they fully accurate, and in many cases can and have been thrown out. Remember, if evolution was a fact, then why do they change the dates on things almost every year? Why do they change timelines, dates, 'missing-links', and other "facts" if they are really facts? A fact means its 100% proven true in all cases, which is not what evolution is.

As far as my crediability is concerned.

[Kolar]

As far as my crediability is concerned, my major is not biology, but that doesn't mean I am illeducated. I've spent countless hours studying what I believe, including this. As well, you ask, "why debate it?" I ask, what if heaven and hell are real, and what if there is a God that really created this, what is wise, to live ignorant of God and hope that its fake, or know what you believe on a foundation. It is foolish to go through life with a belief you don't know. You can't render a reason to anyone who questions yourself, nor can you assure and confidently know what you believe.

It's more foolish to go through your life with these irrational beliefs. Not knowing where we came from, what we should do and why life matters are the greatest questions of all time. I don't need to fill that void with unfounded beliefs, none of it inhibits my abilities to reason, to ponder about these mysteries and offer relevant input on the subject.

Evolutionary biologist do not concern themselves with geological formations so again, offer up something that refutes the real theory of evolution, not something you've read in the ICR's website.

No one would claim the theory of evolution is fact. A fact as you would like it to be does not exist. Anyone who isn't "illeducated" would never claim that it is nothing more then another theory or could be placed anywhere near your creationism or ID in a science class room. If it has any merit it will be peer reviewed but as none of it can actually be tested it fails to be an actual theory, it's religious dogma. It is a very simple fact, backed by much evidence and scientific testing that the age of the universe is 15-16 billion years old, not 10,000 thousand and homo sapien sapien has only existed for 30,000.00 of those years. It's sad that so many people have to keep reminding fundamentalist of the scientific method. Just stay out of the real world, find a Christian forum or something and leave the none "illeducated" people to their work.

[Spytek0420]

Soja is racist.. watch him closely.

[Blueblaze]

It's more foolish to go through your life with these irrational beliefs. Not knowing where we came from, what we should do and why life matters are the greatest questions of all time. I don't need to fill that void with unfounded beliefs, none of it inhibits my abilities to reason, to ponder about these mysteries and offer relevant input on the subject.

Evolutionary biologist do not concern themselves with geological formations so again, offer up something that refutes the real theory of evolution, not something you've read in the ICR's website.

No one would claim the theory of evolution is fact. A fact as you would like it to be does not exist. Anyone who isn't "illeducated" would never claim that it is nothing more then another theory or could be placed anywhere near your creationism or ID in a science class room. If it has any merit it will be peer reviewed but as none of it can actually be tested it fails to be an actual theory, it's religious dogma. It is a very simple fact, backed by much evidence and scientific testing that the age of the universe is 15-16 billion years old, not 10,000 thousand and homo sapien sapien has only existed for 30,000.00 of those years. It's sad that so many people have to keep reminding fundamentalist of the scientific method. Just stay out of the real world, find a Christian forum or something and leave the none "illeducated" people to their work.

This isn't "evolution nonsense", it's clear fact that this planet and this universe are billions of years old.

Well you just claimed that the theory of evolution is a fact. We do have 'facts' as I like to put it, and they are called laws. These laws, are facts, working in every case. We have them in science and math, and there is no law that states evolution occurs, or the process of evolution will always occur. In fact, there is not one proof for evolution's existence. In all of history, the evolutionist don't have one instance where they have recording of any form of evolution except micro-evolution, which scarcely is evolution, but rather a minor change within an individual organism. Micro-evolution doesn't change a rocky soup to a human, nor does it change a fish into a dog, all it can change is miniature things. Macro-evolution, has never been observed in all of history, so why cling so strong to something that has never been seen? There is not one proof for evolution ever, because it doesn't work and doesn't exist.

You say it is a fact that the universe is 15-16 billion years old. A few years ago it was only 14 years old. Before that, 13 and 12 and 11 and 10, etc... to all the way down to only about a hundred thousand years. Its funny how scientist have claimed evolution is a fact, yet they have to keep changing the theory to make it work, because they know its doomed to failure. Anything created by man is doomed to failure, including this theory, as it is only means for man to remove God from society. The real problem is that man is a sinful being, and does not want anything of God. The theory of evolution is one of many ways that God is removed from man's society, but just because He is removed by these theories, doesn't mean you can physically remove God from His throne in heaven. From biological, geological, and astronomical standpoints, the theory of evolution can be regarded as swiss cheese. It all is simply guesswork to deny man's real need, a Savior from their sins.

As a side note, not every scientist believes in the theory of evolution. The majority yes, but its not a hugely vast majority of scientists. There is a very large group of creationist scientists, who are obviously far more credible than myself ;P and are just as credible as these evolutionary scientists.

[Hakaku]

How the fuck did a thread related to racism turn into an evolution - grand canyon - theory of the universe thread?

To sum it up anyway: You can't prove something unless you've been there for the whole gajillion years watching, documenting, testing and analysing the whole big picture. And to every theory, there is an anti-theory and a flaw; it's all a question of opinion and/or belief in the end.

[Kolar]

Asking for a clear example in modern time of evolution is ridiculous. If the process takes hundreds of thousands of years and sometimes millions of year to occur then we will not be able to observe it in nature within a given time frame. Again the idea is not that anyone is clinging to something they can't see. Evolution can be seen by way of testing and observation, there are theories support it and they fit nicely together to show us a view of how the world works.
Evolution complements our modern understanding of the world and has stood the test of time and review regardless of any personal belief or hyped religion of our current civilization. Creationism is a dead end, it offers no evidence, it's an attempt to attack and subvert the scientific method, nothing more.


Science is always changing the way we see the world, that's the beauty of it. While we're learning more, discovering more about it and applying that knowledge in medicine, technology ect.. to make life better, to understand our existence just a inch more then we did yesterday. The work done in cosmology has little if anything to do with the work of evolutionary biology, just the same as to geology. There's no conspiracy manipulating work in all of these fields only to stop people from believing in your God(s).

[Blueblaze]

Asking for a clear example in modern time of evolution is ridiculous. If the process takes hundreds of thousands of years and sometimes millions of year to occur then we will not be able to observe it in nature within a given time frame. Again the idea is not that anyone is clinging to something they can't see. Evolution can be seen by way of testing and observation, there are theories support it and they fit nicely together to show us a view of how the world works.
Evolution complements our modern understanding of the world and has stood the test of time and review regardless of any personal belief or hyped religion of our current civilization. Creationism is a dead end, it offers no evidence, it's an attempt to attack and subvert the scientific method, nothing more.


Science is always changing the way we see the world, that's the beauty of it. While we're learning more, discovering more about it and applying that knowledge in medicine, technology ect.. to make life better, to understand our existence just a inch more then we did yesterday. The work done in cosmology has little if anything to do with the work of evolutionary biology, just the same as to geology. There's no conspiracy manipulating work in all of these fields only to stop people from believing in your God(s).

Asking for a clear example for evolution is ridiculous? Then why believe something that is ridiculous? You know whats even more ridiculous? One of the mainstream evolutionists, Dr. Carl Sagan, put the chance of evolution occurring at roughly 10^2,000,000,000. Now, I would put a 1, with a bunch of 0s, but I'd probably get banned if I put 2 billion zeros there. Now how can you believe a number as astounding as that is fact? As well, everything in evolution has to perfectly align itself in order for that to work as well, as if one mess up in the beginnings of evolution when the number of organisms are few, then that would bring about an end to evolution right there. It is absolutely nonsense to believe in something that improbable.

"theories support it and they fit nicely together to show us a view of how the world works."
Tell me which theories support the theory of evolution? Particularly tell me those that were made before the theory of evolution existed? Otherwise you have people making up theories to support their big theory of evolution, which happens often. Oort cloud is an example of one of theses. A scientist just decided to say there is a big cloud which creates the most of the comets we see today. This is considered such a fact that NASA even supports this theory. Yet, this was simply created out by a scientist who has absolutely 0 proof of its existence, and wanted to make up something to support his evolutionary theory. "Again the idea is not that anyone is clinging to something they can't see." Yet that is exactly what happens here, and with every form of evolution except micro-evolution. The whole theory clings on things unseen and unproved.

"Evolution complements our modern understanding of the world and has stood the test of time and review regardless of any personal belief or hyped religion of our current civilization. Creationism is a dead end, it offers no evidence, it's an attempt to attack and subvert the scientific method, nothing more."

Your theory of evolution has not stood the test of time, as its existance is no more than 200 years old, and has never been solid once, meaning it is always and continually changing to fix its errors, even though the whole theory is one big error. Creationism isn't the attempt to attack evolution, but evolution is the attempt to attack creationism. Creationism didn't move evolution out of the schools, evolution moved creationism out of schools. The belief in creationism severally outlasts evolution in its length of existence.

I never said evolution was a conspiracy to remove God, but it surely is the consequence of removing God. This is where the theory of evolution fails itself as well. How does a person or being without a concept of time, gain it? Or where does consciousness evolve from nothing? Or how does man gain a theory of god from nothing, as there is no example of a perfect, omnipresent, oniscience, omnipotent being, so that man gain this understanding. You can't evolve into something you don't know, which is why it is impossible for this theory to work. How does something know it needs eyes, or even what eyes are, if the organism doesn't even have them in the first place? Evolution cannot answer how man created a religion of God from nothing, as it is apparently pointless, and weakening to man.

Evolution is simply based around man, as my belief of creationism and Christianity is built around God. What is better, trust in man who has, does, and will fail many and many times? Or trust in a God who as 1 John 3:20 says, "For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things." Personally, I'd rather trust in something or rather, Someone who knoweth all things, and is absolutely perfect in His ways. "for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever." - 1 Chronicles 28:9b