My time in staff has come to an end! ::Sadface::

[Cops]

What's so great about being mod anyway? You have to chase down criminals at every cheater call :busted:. As ER you can host any game you want whenever you want.

Not when there's an insane quota to meet. I remember when I was an <ER> and the quota was a non issue, I would roughly do about 70 events a month and I felt like this game consumed me, I feel bad for people who have to do 50. Kim is a nice guy but he needs to look at staff not so much as a 'job', even though for all intensive purpouses it is a 'volunteer job'.

I remember when a lot of <ZH>'s got Mod which kind of sucked but at the same time some of them deserved it, I remember being an <ER> or <ZH> when Weaver was a <ZH>. I can't blame the guy for not wanting to be an <ER>, you have to host events, leagues and most of the time you have people breathing down your neck. If I was ever to become a <ZH> again, which is probably never going to happen I'd sit and wait it out. Hopefully after some time I'd get bumped up to mod, and any rational person with some sort of social life would follow down the same path, especially after seeing staff lose a shit load of <ER>'s, what's the benefit in becoming an <ER> over a <ZH>?

As gay as it sounds Pusher made staff feel more like a group or a team rather than a desk job, once you start putting quota's on people and putting everyone at risk for getting kicked off staff then you can't possibly hope to keep a lot of capable, willing and generally good people that want to be on staff, you burn them out before they even have a chance.

[Maverick]

The quota is just to high imo, 50 events ='s roughly 25 hours a month of hosting.

Nickname, I recommend we continue this discussion in the staff forum since this is not the best place to do so.

I only wanted to state that's the quota is different then 50 events (and to be exact, it's measured in advertisements, not events) and you should keep in mind it's on a per-month basis. That means you have to divide it by 31 to get the quota per day or by 4 to get the quota per week and you'll see it's quite low. You can even host one evening per week to make quota.

[Xog]

gl scoop and all that jazz.

For the staff record thing, i'm impressed by anyone who continually meets quota. The quota is just to high imo, 50 events ='s roughly 25 hours a month of hosting. That retarded. (even if you go and say now that the average event isn't half an hour, and i'd like to see you argue that, because it's at least 20 minutes on average, and if you're doing weekend events or big events like tournies or anything else they're not measured in minutes but hours, but my point is it's still like 20+ hours per month spent just hosting.

wow, 25 hours an month of just hosting.. i dont even go on my computer for 25 hours a month.

[Scoop]

Well scoop, its kinda weird that you posted here without posting something in our forums first or leaving me a message, but I'm glad I eventually found this thread.

Staff Hierarchy is not so simple as going from <ZH> to <ER> to mod in a linear progression. You are given a choice at the beginning on whether or not you wanted to continue taking calls and helping players out with their questions, or begin going down the hosting route where you can enjoy hosting for players in the game that you enjoy playing (I hope that's what we're all here for). The <ZH> position, you get to learn both <ER> and mod duties, but the choice was still yours. If you went down the <ER> path, other staffers get to learn more about you, get to know you a little bit better, and candidates to be promoted to mods eventually surface. Those people who said that they were sick of hosting and wanted to go back to <ZH> eventually quit staff afterwards for not being active and losing interest in general, unless they gave me sufficient reason to let them go back to <ZH>.

Scoop, you in particular, did not really press a convincing case to me about wanting to go back to the <ZH> position, I've maybe heard you say that you were tired of hosting twice, but ever since our new quota system you wanted to press forward, so I did not act upon it.

This problem actually comes about once again as Moderators believe it is in a natural progression in time to be promoted to the SMod position, but the fact of the matter is that these positions are limited. Certain Smods do take in some staff members under their wing and they would get to work with the SMod, where the SMod will get to learn more about this player, leading forth to further promotions and the possibility of rotating this new candidate into the SMod position.

This zone was not a democracy to begin with. Whoever owned the zone brought forth staff members that they see fit to take on these SMod positions. These SMods would not be removed until the zone owner would believe it is time to do so or inactivity of the SMod permits it so.

However, I'd like to say that the fluidity of movement of <ER>s to mods are increasing a lot more than ever before, as Mod positions are no longer safe, even for long-going moderators. If they did no work, they would be removed.

read ph's reply... posted it in private staff forums first heh...

[Kim]

Well scoop, its kinda weird that you posted here without posting something in our forums first or leaving me a message, but I'm glad I eventually found this thread.

Staff Hierarchy is not so simple as going from <ZH> to <ER> to mod in a linear progression. You are given a choice at the beginning on whether or not you wanted to continue taking calls and helping players out with their questions, or begin going down the hosting route where you can enjoy hosting for players in the game that you enjoy playing (I hope that's what we're all here for). The <ZH> position, you get to learn both <ER> and mod duties, but the choice was still yours. If you went down the <ER> path, other staffers get to learn more about you, get to know you a little bit better, and candidates to be promoted to mods eventually surface. Those people who said that they were sick of hosting and wanted to go back to <ZH> eventually quit staff afterwards for not being active and losing interest in general, unless they gave me sufficient reason to let them go back to <ZH>.

Scoop, you in particular, did not really press a convincing case to me about wanting to go back to the <ZH> position, I've maybe heard you say that you were tired of hosting twice, but ever since our new quota system you wanted to press forward, so I did not act upon it.

This problem actually comes about once again as Moderators believe it is in a natural progression in time to be promoted to the SMod position, but the fact of the matter is that these positions are limited. Certain Smods do take in some staff members under their wing and they would get to work with the SMod, where the SMod will get to learn more about this player, leading forth to further promotions and the possibility of rotating this new candidate into the SMod position.

This zone was not a democracy to begin with. Whoever owned the zone brought forth staff members that they see fit to take on these SMod positions. These SMods would not be removed until the zone owner would believe it is time to do so or inactivity of the SMod permits it so.

However, I'd like to say that the fluidity of movement of <ER>s to mods are increasing a lot more than ever before, as Mod positions are no longer safe, even for long-going moderators. If they did no work, they would be removed.

[Nickname]

gl scoop and all that jazz.

For the staff record thing, i'm impressed by anyone who continually meets quota. The quota is just to high imo, 50 events ='s roughly 25 hours a month of hosting. That retarded. (even if you go and say now that the average event isn't half an hour, and i'd like to see you argue that, because it's at least 20 minutes on average, and if you're doing weekend events or big events like tournies or anything else they're not measured in minutes but hours, but my point is it's still like 20+ hours per month spent just hosting.

[Scoop]

wait scoopah... does this mean you won't play TWL? :crying:

Dude im totally still gonna own twl :P

[Noah]

Poop Scoop ER

Now I only have 1 chat to spam you in

Oh well: Hi Diso! I'm going to start spamming our chat twice as much because of Scoop. Rape him when you see him for it.

[Emaho]

wait scoopah... does this mean you won't play TWL? :crying:

[AcidBomber]

aw poor Scoopy, good luck with college :P

[Emaho]

What's so great about being mod anyway? You have to chase down criminals at every cheater call :busted:. As ER you can host any game you want whenever you want.

More power I guess

[Burzum]

It still seems like yesterday when I taught you the ways of the ZH...

Ah, but they grow up so fast! :wub:

[Maverick]

I must say that each staff level and role has its advantages and disadvantages.

For example, moderator - powers in every arena but you have to watch players if they are teamkilling, using racism, lagging and whatnot.
ERs - can host whatever you want, make players happy, have fun in events but you need to take trash from some players and you have to meet quota (yea, also a mod has to).

Too bad you're off scoop but good luck with college and fraternity (wtf is that?)

[flibb]

What's so great about being mod anyway? You have to chase down criminals at every cheater call :busted:. As ER you can host any game you want whenever you want.

[kthx]

Well before I go into the drama I just want to say enjoy college and get drunk alot.

But anyways Scoop the thing was I never wanted to really be promoted that much, I was happy in a niche I was good at. I thought of it as, why be another random mod and fade away from the zone, being the attention whore I am, being an ER was the best position for me, not to mention my creativity when it came to creating and hosting events. So I was perfectly happy as one of the "veteran" ER's over some "newbie mod" I guess you could say. However like I predicted several months ago, these days staff likes to try to put the pressure of hosting events for the entire zone in the hands of 2-3 people, and that is what is truly ruining things. People like Sgazer host alot or.. used to, because they are getting tired of always being the only one to actually exceed the quota. The entire zones hosting can't be done by one person for several months in a row like they tried to make Sgazer do. So basically Scoop they can't promote ER's who do their job because they are the only ones hosting events, and if they were removed from their ER and moved to Mod then there would be a noticeble decline in events for the zone. Instead, they wait for the ER to get burned out by hosting, and stop meeting their quota before not promoting them because they aren't doing their job anymore. It is a bad cycle in which good hosts who actually want to be promoted get caught up in. Of course this didn't use to happen several years ago under more capable deans which is truly what this zone tends to lack these days.