Distension Beta Suggestions/Bugfix thread

[Mjollnir]

ummm, maybe i am considering all of it.

WB is useless in distention if you make it this weak. Why would you fly in a wb when you can fly in a jav that shoots 2 bombs in a row WITH shrap, and l2 bullets etc etc, or spids that can kill most ships in one or two hits, with FAST recharge, compared to a wb that if it doesnt kill they are dead in matter of seconds


If you really want to make WB a useless ship then by all means go for it, but that just ruins the whole point of your little beta test then.

Maybe you might wanna consider there are other people playing this game other than yourself, and realize that I have valid complaints

I do not think your complaint is valid though. It is still a very annoying ship to play against because of the huge manuverability that induces a lot of lag. You probably have the wrong upgrades or don't know how to use the ship properly. Just watch Zeimonster or Dack(?) in the ship to see what I mean. If it was up to me, I would probably try to do something about the manuverability because of the lag problems.

Balancing ships can be really tough and just because you got to fly an overpowered supership for so long doesn't mean it's weak now - it just feels that way.

[Mjollnir]

jav=overpowered

it can shoot 2 closely fired bombs (with shrap)
has l2 bullets
and can kill a level 30 wb with ease

at least increase the time shot between bombings

I don't see the problem with being able to shoot 2 bombs. It is hard to get kills with the jav as it is. I think it would ruin the jav if there was a delay after a bomb since it would be meaningless to buy recharge and energy which cost like heck btw. I also don't understand how you think it can kill a level 30 wb with ease since any decent wb can own a jav very easily. Maybe you just suck at the ship? Oh.. and my Jav is level 29.

[Exalt]

Poppycock. The WB becomes useful the moment it upgrades to L2, at which point it can kill most low to medium level ships. Do you have L2? Focus on ships your own rank and don't complain that a lower-ranked WB can't kill every high ranked ship with full energy in one hit. L2 is roughly equivalent to a 1 hit kill for most ships at level 25. If you want to kill almost every ship in the game in one hit, wait for L3. In the meantime don't expect to be one-hit killing everyone just because you're a bird. Think about the fact that there has to be room to grow as you ran up. If you want to make a WB with normal TW settings, ?go. Due to the way that any upgrade system must work with wide variations in strength between the start and end ship, you are not going to find the ship you're looking for here. How you're able to kill depends not only on your upgrades, but the upgrades of other ships. Were the object to create stock ships, you wouldn't see the various special abilities, but just a gradual progression toward that goal. Distension ships are initially worse and then much better than the stock models, but you're not going to see the exact point in between where the ship is equal to a stock... again, L2 has to be set as a "virtual" L3 (equivalent to L3 in pub; Distension L2 WILL kill any pub ship) because L3 needs to be able to take out much better ships. But to be honest I'm getting tired of responding to complaints into which very little thought has been put, as is evident here. You might consider that there are people playing this game other than yourself.
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ummm, maybe i am considering all of it.

WB is useless in distention if you make it this weak. Why would you fly in a wb when you can fly in a jav that shoots 2 bombs in a row WITH shrap, and l2 bullets etc etc, or spids that can kill most ships in one or two hits, with FAST recharge, compared to a wb that if it doesnt kill they are dead in matter of seconds


If you really want to make WB a useless ship then by all means go for it, but that just ruins the whole point of your little beta test then.

Maybe you might wanna consider there are other people playing this game other than yourself, and realize that I have valid complaints

[HateTheFake]

I think streaks are when you kill 5 ppl within 8 levels of your rank without dying

[Shadowmere]

Oh, LOL it was about distension streaks. Yeah, this happens when you visit forums at 1:20AM.

thats true, how exactly do streaks work?

I think to have a streak you have to get X amount of kills within a specific amount of time. But don't quote me on that.

[Facetious]

If it's 3 times slower, definitely D. That'll make it way too slow I think.

One problem that I see is that it often seems that there's not enough incentive to play terr or shark. Seems like a major problem with a lot of losing teams I'm on is that once the team starts losing people STOP sharking and terring because not only is it more boring but it's also harder to get RP. Once this happens, the team just gets worse and worse.

I was base terr the other day and I was getting maybe 16 RP every couple minutes from profit sharing, but I was performing a necessary function for a team that ended up losing, so I ended up getting nothing for my efforts at all. I don't really have any suggestions for how to fix this other than to figure out a better profit sharing plan. Given that I don't understand how it works in the first place...

[Dack Falu]

sorry if i missed in the prev posts, but are the streaks disabled? Just had bout 10 kills in a row in weasel, w/o dieing, but no streak message. I want my bonus

I think you need to kill people that are around your rank.

[Zeebu]

sorry if i missed in the prev posts, but are the streaks disabled? Just had bout 10 kills in a row in weasel, w/o dieing, but no streak message. I want my bonus

thats true, how exactly do streaks work?

[Vergilius]

sorry if i missed in the prev posts, but are the streaks disabled? Just had bout 10 kills in a row in weasel, w/o dieing, but no streak message. I want my bonus

[Emaho]

So♠metimes when you spawn and attach to the terr, the bot warps you back to safe/"spawn circle" again.. It's like 1/20 that this happens. Didn't read the whole thread so idk if it was mentioned before.

It also wont let you do !lagout if you get disconnected.


Edit: One more thing also: When you have full in something like speed etc. it says "FULL", but it should say "FULL 7/7" or something. So you know how much a level is worth when you scrap. I mean it's not a big deal if you scrap 1/12 UP, but it is if you scrap 1/3 UP. Get me?

[HateTheFake]

jav=overpowered

it can shoot 2 closely fired bombs (with shrap)
has l2 bullets
and can kill a level 30 wb with ease

at least increase the time shot between bombings

[Mjollnir]

Of the following statements, which do you think is most accurate? (Take into consideration that the rate will be roughly 3 times slower than it presently is on public release.)

A) Ranking up is too fast to give a real sense of accomplishment
B) Ranking up is about right
C) Ranking up is a little too slow to stay fun for very long
D) Ranking up is far too slow and kills all the fun
E) Combination of the above / certain ships are such and such / certain ranks are such and such

I have to choose E.

There are roughly two categories:

- From Levels 0 to 27(?) the leveling seems fine for the most part so B.

- After level 27(?) it is D.

For some ships the level when it gets too slow is different. For a spider, a wb and a lanc the leveling is probably fine until level 30 and for the ships that don't get many kills the leveling is pretty bad even before level 27.

I feel the javelin is pretty much horrible to level all the way through (currently level 28 and it's very slow to level making it quite boring). The levi wasn't that bad to get to level 17 or so but haven't tried it since, so no comment there. The weasel is currently very slow to level as well and even though I am level 32 I feel it shouldn't be THAT slow (1 level takes pretty much an eternity).

[gdugwyler]

Forgot to say: including the average time it takes you to level in various ships and at various ranks would also be pretty helpful.

[gdugwyler]

To the naysayers of the WB nerf: too little, too late. I received information that the warbird was a bit overpowered, checked it out and found it to be the case. As has been said, it pretty much had everything: strong on defense, strong on offense, and with very good movement capabilities. Now it's about average on defense, above average on offense, and retains its prior movement. Even after the changes I still find it pretty easy to make kills on ships many levels higher than myself. It's a sniper; treat it as such and you'll do well. Maybe you're just not doing it right.

i mean it takes impossibly long for a warbird to even get enough upgrades to do ANYTHING usefull, but then you remove any incentive to stay in a warbird, its basically a weak version of the spider now, it still doesnt kill everything in one hit, but it has only one shot in a very long period of time, you can only upgrade recharge so much

all i wanted was to be able to make warbird into the normal TW settings, but apparently your making that too hard to be worth the time

Poppycock. The WB becomes useful the moment it upgrades to L2, at which point it can kill most low to medium level ships. Do you have L2? Focus on ships your own rank and don't complain that a lower-ranked WB can't kill every high ranked ship with full energy in one hit. L2 is roughly equivalent to a 1 hit kill for most ships at level 25. If you want to kill almost every ship in the game in one hit, wait for L3. In the meantime don't expect to be one-hit killing everyone just because you're a bird. Think about the fact that there has to be room to grow as you ran up. If you want to make a WB with normal TW settings, ?go. Due to the way that any upgrade system must work with wide variations in strength between the start and end ship, you are not going to find the ship you're looking for here. How you're able to kill depends not only on your upgrades, but the upgrades of other ships. Were the object to create stock ships, you wouldn't see the various special abilities, but just a gradual progression toward that goal. Distension ships are initially worse and then much better than the stock models, but you're not going to see the exact point in between where the ship is equal to a stock... again, L2 has to be set as a "virtual" L3 (equivalent to L3 in pub; Distension L2 WILL kill any pub ship) because L3 needs to be able to take out much better ships. But to be honest I'm getting tired of responding to complaints into which very little thought has been put, as is evident here. You might consider that there are people playing this game other than yourself.

Honestly the wb was fine the way it was, just because mj is now a jav and cant kill it he doesnt like it, im around a level 30 wb, And trying to save for the l2 bullets + the energy its like 6 ups together, this shows if anything its underpowered, that takes way tooooo long to get.

I'm about a level 17 or so in WB, and I have L2 without too many problems. And again, I'm still killing people above my rank without much trouble. I was even going on streaks. This does nothing to show that WBs are underpowered. If you have multifire, though, you might consider scrapping multifire if you want something a little less costly. By the way, Jav bombs weren't killing you with a direct hit? Shouldn't be the case...

When I was playing, I levelled up in warbird and upgraded my guns L2 (yellow). Unfortunately, I didn't upgrade my max energy enough beforehand to be able to fire L2 guns, and consequently after that, I couldn't fire and I couldn't gain any RP. Maybe make it so it won't let you upgrade to the next bullet/bomb level without first having the energy required to use said upgrade.

Yeah, that is still a bit annoying. I'm thinking of implementing some sort of system to prevent that from happening... unfortunately there would be a decent bit to implement. It does at least tell you after you upgrade that it may be the case with your particular upgrade that you might not be able to fire afterward, and may need to scrap... an easy workaround might be to make scrapping guns, bombs and multifire free?


RANK-UP SPEEEED

I'd like to try to work at this again. Here's the fine balance we're trying to establish with rank up speed:

- Keep it fast enough to stay fun for most of the levels.
- Keep it slow enough that: it feels like you're earning something; there aren't a lot of rank 50+ even after a few months of running; wipes don't have to occur too often.

To me from what I've seen it feels like with the beta rate factored in, ranking up occurs too quickly at lower levels, but too slowly in the later levels. Adjusting for the beta rate removal, I'd say that the rate is going to be about right in lower levels, but much too slow in later levels. This is just my instinct, though. I haven't played too many ships in the higher levels, though, generally because 3 people have to complain about X, Y and Z whenever I'm in the arena -- so I don't have a perfect grasp of what it's actually like to just play the game without constantly checking chat. It distorts my sense of time as well. So this is where I need input.

Of the following statements, which do you think is most accurate? (Take into consideration that the rate will be roughly 3 times slower than it presently is on public release.)

A) Ranking up is too fast to give a real sense of accomplishment
B) Ranking up is about right
C) Ranking up is a little too slow to stay fun for very long
D) Ranking up is far too slow and kills all the fun
E) Combination of the above / certain ships are such and such / certain ranks are such and such

Really I wouldn't be against reducing the amount required for all ships in the higher ranks and just having more frequent resets, maybe one every 6 months. But we would definitely be looking at reset potential. This isn't so bad considering you could level one ship up pretty high, and then next reset focus on a different one. Meanwhile the rate at which you ranked would still remain fast enough to keep it interesting.

Also take into consideration that after beta there should be a few more people filtering in and out of the arena, creating a more diverse rank set and generally more havoc to be wreaked.