++++ Small Weasel Petition ++++

[AceFlyer]

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NO beacuase this is not what pub should look like.

bad enough they even did that with decoys as well

No offense dads, but those screenshots of yours hardly depict commonplace occurrences in TW public arenas back when small Weasels were around. There were usually at most a few Weasels per team.

[JD MoFo]

THERE IS NO REASONING THAT THE LARGE X IS BETTER, ONLY PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE IT IN GENERAL WANT IT TO BE LESS PLAYABLE FOR OTHERS.

Perfectly said

[Raver420]

I am bored in pub with a boner

[wayspace]

I was undecieded when I began reading this thread. To be honest I was leaning toward keeping the big X. After reading all the posts including Andy's superb addition to the topic, I've come to the conclusion that I didn't like the small x for selfish reasons.

Since I am most often a levi, I've noticed fewer ppl cloak killing levs. This is good for my game play!

However, I do miss zipping around in an uncloaked small x and "WEASELING" my way into base to cause havoc for the opposing team. Also, it was equally fun you make a priv. freq with weasels, usually 2-4 of us. And with no terrier, attack the hell out of the fr.

Bring back the little x! It's the most unique ship in the game

(btw, most of this is my experiences in Leviathon-Allowed Pubs)

[Imperian]

I am bored in pub with a boner

that's some ... shit right there.

[inaphyt]

To be honest, the small weasel could own the large weasel in a duel of similarly skilled players because the big weasel sucks so much. the idea may be to cloak people but as this is so much effort and getting kills takes ages AND every single person hunts you down when you decloak for a second it takes complete fun out of the ship so people seek different ships.

In the small weasel you could do james bond manouvers and amaze yourself while playing and enjoy using cloak sporadically and smartly as it only lasted a short while.

The small weasel was sooo underpowered which is why very skilled players used it because you had to use trickery to defeat a hard enemy such as a lanc with x radar and terrs. If you have a couple of good javs (also with xradar) in fr weasels wont get anywhere near the flag, sharks (can have xradar) repel the x's already slow moving bullets away and after that what hope does the x have?, a lanc (also has x radar) is an impossibility in small spaces firing 3 times per full energy in fast yellow streams of death, terrs (also with x radar) have bursts which can deal with a slow moving and thrusting x quite easily and even spiders with randoms sprays....... levi's with massive splash bomb which hurts weasels very short energy supply, aswell as avoiding other x's that have low energy costs for xradar.

The odds were really stacked against the poor little fellow so i fail to see the problem, you all just suck at dealing with them change ship and own the little things it's not hard.

[iNgeNfyRe]

yes. i agree. small nightwasp.

[DankNuggets]

minimize ze veasels

[stark]

Little weasels negate the fact that base only has one entrance. It offers 10 entrances to the flag room, alone. It kills the basic base experience, in both pure pubs and non-pure pubs. If you're new and trying to get good with a spider or something, it's gonna piss you off when you keep getting killed by someone you can't even see. They might, then, change ships, or stop playing out of frustration leading to them quitting the game. Eventually, there would be nothing left but cloakers in pubs, all invisible to each other like a giant game of ?go cloaks, but without any spec tasks or objectives. No one will uncloak and it slowly diminish to just a few cloakers flying around invisible and not shooting, until there are only bots left. That is when Priit realises this game is finally dead and stops paying for the server. Small weasles are the downfall of this game.

Not really, but in my opinion, the first part of that was true. I miss the days when there wasn't even the ability to change ship prox.

[King Baba]

People are getting so misty-eyed over the Weasel's good ol days. Well, I say scrap ship 6 and put in a Time Travel Cruiser so you can warp back in time and play your ship.

And that guy (Andy something?) that ranted on Weasel tactics as if this were actually a war, uhh... shoot ships and they die. Get shot; you die.

GG.

[Dr. Snyder]

Small X's were all in all more fun for more players. Big X is a specialist that only can camp or x levis in spawn. The small hole thing is annoying I'll admit but I think something could be done if it is really that bad, perhaps banning them for pure pub or something considering that pub already blows for anything but TKing. But hey at least pub limit is 40 again and levi pub is on top so I can't complain even if I get X'd in levi constantly

[dads revenge]

yes. i agree. small nightwasp.

OOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Nice thought but I think that weekend would piss off everyone. I have a plan for something this weekend already (no I won't tell) and maybe I will set the cloaks small for it as well. but I will balance the ships accordingly.

MUWAAHAAH I just got an evil idea soo glad I read this thread tonight.

[Andy H.K.]

Little weasels negate the fact that base only has one entrance. It offers 10 entrances to the flag room, alone. It kills the basic base experience, in both pure pubs and non-pure pubs. If you're new and trying to get good with a spider or something, it's gonna piss you off when you keep getting killed by someone you can't even see. They might, then, change ships, or stop playing out of frustration leading to them quitting the game. Eventually, there would be nothing left but cloakers in pubs, all invisible to each other like a giant game of ?go cloaks, but without any spec tasks or objectives. No one will uncloak and it slowly diminish to just a few cloakers flying around invisible and not shooting, until there are only bots left. That is when Priit realises this game is finally dead and stops paying for the server. Small weasles are the downfall of this game.

Not really, but in my opinion, the first part of that was true. I miss the days when there wasn't even the ability to change ship prox.

Nothing kill basing more than leviathan - that's the consensus. The banning of it in pure pub would suggest game developers think so, too. When I returned and play in pure pub for the first time, I liked it too. There's no longer any annoying big blast! But now, my opinion has changed. I found the lack of levi took away a part of the basing experience. But I'd like to stay on topic and talk about levi in another post.

You talked about the use of multiple entrance by small weasel. I see you meant the holes on the wall of flag room. The same holes are being used by javs or wbs to shoot inside from roof. If you allow people to shoot into the base like that I see no points in not letting ships to get through the holes since that makes no difference.

But there IS indeed a difference! It takes javs and wbs skills to successfully shoot through the holes! Small weasels can just pop on cloak, squeeze all hola! It takes zero skills isn't it?

The thing is, yes getting into flag room is trivial for small weasel. But, to them, what's important is what they could achieve AFTER getting in.

Remember that the odds is against the small weasel because of its limited attack range, a cloaking time limit and being heavily overnumber in an enemy-controlled flag room. I wish you had at least attempted to play around with the ship back then. It was a challenge and very satisfying when you succeed.

It was also challenging for the defending team to stop small weasels. Apart from terr, all other ships' x-radar drain energy. You need to manage your energy well to keep track of cloakers, just as the cloakers need it to make good use of the finite cloak. If you could manage energy better in spider, you will learn to conserve energy, pick your shots and prioritize your targets. That's only part of what playing in and against small weasels can teach you.

In basing, if someone get killed by cloaker without prior alert it would suggest the defender lacks cloaker detection. Such "defence" is incomplete and such team deserve to be crushed.

There is a big part of gameplay of TW which was left out, abandoned and should be brought back.

Some response to your minor points:

1. In general, if you're new and trying to get good with anything, it's gonna piss you off when you keep getting killed ... by anyone else.
2. Unlike ?go base, you can change ship freely in pub. The bot in pure pub would even suggest you to change ship (by showing lacking/excess of ship type in !team). Since ship types of TW works on a class-based system, you can work out counter matchups easily. The game gets easier once you learn to be more flexible.
3. The "first part" of your post I have discussed. I think your "second part" is not talking about the small weasel, but weasel itself, be it small or big. Skip the adjective.

People are getting so misty-eyed over the Weasel's good ol days. Well, I say scrap ship 6 and put in a Time Travel Cruiser so you can warp back in time and play your ship.

And that guy (Andy something?) that ranted on Weasel tactics as if this were actually a war, uhh... shoot ships and they die. Get shot; you die.

GG.

Let's talk about dueling in TW. It is the simpliest form of game, truly "shoot ships and they die. Get shot; you die" style. But if there is a guide for such simple game then I find it valid to have a random player such as the Andy something you mentions trying to dissect TW basing for his own and TW's sake. The objective of Chess is to "grab your opponent's king", simple as that, but to achieve that is not that easy. My point is, if you actually try to leave the surface and dive deeper into various aspect of TW gameplay, you CAN go much deeper than you think.

Ship 6 just happen to be "my ship". I do get misty-eyed over the weasel's good ol days. What's more is that I get misty-eyed even more over TW's good ol days when we had a elegant and delicate toy to play with.

I stand firm that the small weasel is more beneficial to the basing gameplay experience than the current setting.

[dads revenge]

Don't say good old days of small weasel they weren't small in the "good old days" that came about later, yes there are guides for dueling, Basing isn't chess but it is strategy, yes in most cases small weasel sneaking in the flagroom takes no skill (but thank god for all those other ships that have x-radar). Bah well doesn't matter I will give you the small weasel this weekend as a reward for spending soo much time creating those crazy ideas about it.

[project dragon]

how about big weasles that can fit through small holes.