Trench Wars... has changed.

[kthx]

I am trying to help them coexist, by making sure it doesn't get in the way of what TW is really supposed to be.

[Mjollnir]

Distension isn't being ran right now and the amount of people playing TW on a daily basis hasn't dropped one bit.

My point was that, if you get rid of Distension, so that it will become another zone, that will significantly affect the TW population. Even if it doesn't become another zone, the people who stay in TW for Distension and play other stuff on the side will leave.

They are really far off actually, you basically admit to this when you say "ships start out weaker and end stronger".

The ship settings are very similar in the end. The basic skills you need in TW apply to most of the ships (levi being the only new ship). You just read what I said and twisted it in your mind to whatever you wanted to hear.

Distension being ran before TWL is when squads are practicing and warming up for TWL, so yes this is basically during TWL.

When the bot is proven to be stable again, it should not be a problem, unless you think that most players would rather play Distension than practice TWL. I don't mind if Distension is always off during TWL matches.

Nobody is exaggerating the amount of crashes and recycles, they are happening more frequently than ever as of late when dbot is online.

You are wrong, the fact that people are being affected by the recent crashes and recycles on a larger scale is just making anti-distension sentiment grow.

The amount of crashes has not been that significant. The last ones happened twice in a row, at a low population time, in a span of 10 minutes. They only happen when the stable bot code or something critical in TW settings is changed. The fact, that even recycles and lag problems not related to Distension are now blamed on it, is part of the problem.

This has not been a problem until recently and it will not be a problem, after the proper fixes are made. Distension will not run until a potential fix is in place.

This zone has been steadily dying for years, yet when TWL comes around we miraculously get up to 600+ people again on weekends, yet when distension is ran everyday the player base does not significantly increase during these scheduled times.

That doesn't change the fact that the zone has been steadily losing population. No one is advocating getting rid of TWL. It does bring some people back, although you might be exaggerating with the numbers. TWL and Distension are different things that different people enjoy. I happen to enjoy Distension more than TWL, and that is it. When the bot is finally stable, there will be no valid arguments left for limiting Distension so much.

Nobody is "brown nosing" me, its just that as LB and others have said in previous posts and in other threads my experience in this zone means that my input in regards to game play inside of Trench Wars is weighed more heavily than lets say.. Danknuggetz or yourself who only play Trench Wars because distension is here, and threaten to quit the game if it isn't hosted. So why would any players care what you have to say about the zone as a whole if the only reason you play this game is to play one event? My ideas and suggestions to how the zone should be running make more sense as I play a large amount of events, write for TWL, play in TWL, host a large amount of events, and create events.

I have played Trench Wars since 1999. I played Subspace when it was in BETA. I have some experience with the game and I am simply tired of most of the things that TW has to offer. Distension is also the only arena that allows higher resolutions, which helps in my case. That doesn't mean everyone is like me. A lot of people play other events and if they happen to like Distension a lot, you will be getting rid of them as well, when you kill Distension.

As for the reason Dank is still posting it is because he much like you are otherwise useless inside TW if not for Distension, and as Distension is down at least for a few days from crashing the bots and the servers on numerous occasions he really doesn't have anything else to do.

He seems to genuinely want to help TW coexist with Distension. He is trying to defend the game he loves against the hordes of haters. You should try to see things from his point of view and understand that Distension isn't going anywhere. Instead of focusing all your energy on getting rid of Distension, you should be thinking of ways to improve the situation without alienating the Distension players from TW.

[Galaxy Turbo]

I guess I'll ask now if anybody knows what I'm parodying...

It's funny that nobody cares about this anymore =P

[Liquid Blue]

why is it that if I don't agree with Distension players, I must hate the event??

I just think you guys are wrong

[kthx]

Let me answer your bullets for you.

Distension isn't being ran right now and the amount of people playing TW on a daily basis hasn't dropped one bit.

They are really far off actually, you basically admit to this when you say "ships start out weaker and end stronger".

Distension being ran before TWL is when squads are practicing and warming up for TWL, so yes this is basically during TWL.

Nobody is exaggerating the amount of crashes and recycles, they are happening more frequently than ever as of late when dbot is online.

You are wrong, the fact that people are being affected by the recent crashes and recycles on a larger scale is just making anti-distension sentiment grow.

As for your other arguments.

This zone has been steadily dying for years, yet when TWL comes around we miraculously get up to 600+ people again on weekends, yet when distension is ran everyday the player base does not significantly increase during these scheduled times.

Nobody is "brown nosing" me, its just that as LB and others have said in previous posts and in other threads my experience in this zone means that my input in regards to game play inside of Trench Wars is weighed more heavily than lets say.. Danknuggetz or yourself who only play Trench Wars because distension is here, and threaten to quit the game if it isn't hosted. So why would any players care what you have to say about the zone as a whole if the only reason you play this game is to play one event? My ideas and suggestions to how the zone should be running make more sense as I play a large amount of events, write for TWL, play in TWL, host a large amount of events, and create events.

As for the reason Dank is still posting it is because he much like you are otherwise useless inside TW if not for Distension, and as Distension is down at least for a few days from crashing the bots and the servers on numerous occasions he really doesn't have anything else to do.

[Mjollnir]

This thread is mostly retardedly repeated back and forth bullshit. Pretty much everyone is also being extremely selfish. A few of you want Distension to form a new zone because you hate it. It is funny that you think every player would just come back after a few weeks "when they get bored of it". You want absolutely nothing to change in a zone that has been steadily dying for years.

Most Distension haters seem to be brown nosing kthx for whatever reason and posting spam in every Distension related thread. LB is trying to look constructive with his huge amount of long posts, while he is repeating the same old arguments over and over. He is either stupid or just trying to be "subtle" about his hate for Distension. HateTheFake is just plain retarded with his one liners.

Here are some bullet points for the simple folk:

• It does not help TW population or TWL turnout to get rid of Distension.
• Distension settings are not that far from the original TW settings. This is often used as an argument, even though the ship settings are based on TW. The ships start as weaker and eventually become stronger than the normal TW ships. The same basic skillset needed for playing is still there.
• No one ever suggested that Distension should be run during TWL.
• Everyone is exaggerating the amount of zone recycles Distension has caused. It is unfortunate when a new code change causes them but the more we get to try the bot out, the faster it will be stable again. It was actually stable for a long time before causing the recent problems.
• There is a significant amount of people who like Distension and spewing your hate and illogical arguments in here will just hurt your cause in the end.

Most of you will naturally skip the post and post irrelevant crap again. I don't understand how Dank is still posting in here after all the childish replies he has had to deal with. At least, his arguments are usually logical, which can't be said for many people in here. You will also bunch me with the other "Distension lovers" as a way to ignore the real issues but I don't care. If you kill Distension I will find other things to do. It just happens to be the only thing keeping me in TW anymore.

[Jones]

I forgot what the argument is all about...

pein > kakashi

100% PROVEN

[kthx]

Perhaps you should use your eye of insight.

I forgot what the argument is all about...

[kthx]

Spell hear correctly. It isn't here, that is as in "He is here" and hear is like "I can hear that"

[DankNuggets]

..

8==>

player a: i like distension

8=====>

player b: hey dank, let's go play distension

8==============>

player c: hey dank, did you here that after TWL is over it's gonna be 24/7 ?

8==============> ~~~~

you got me, fair and square.

[kthx]

this is exactly why I said before that you're a useless tool that jacks off to distension.

this is exactly why I said before that you're a useless tool that jacks off to distension.

this is exactly why I said before that you're a useless tool that jacks off to distension.

this is exactly why I said before that you're a useless tool that jacks off to distension.

Fap Fap Fap

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[DankNuggets]

I'm explaining why it shouldn't interfere with TWL period and the most recent example is the sunday issue. It's not like I'm just saying it over and over to be a broken record, it's because I keep seeing " TWL Players are only mad because Distension is popular and TWL is old and boring" , or variations of that. I'm trying to repeatedly say that no, it's not because X number of people like Distension or anything like that, it's because the event still has bugs and TWL has been around longer, so TWL shouldn't have it's schedule changed because certain people want to play Distension.

Ok, so you're ONLY point then is that it shouldn't interfere with TWL? In that case, what would be the problem with running it 24/6? Why not suggest something like that instead of being the broken record you claim not to be. Believe me, this like the 4th or 5th time I've tried to explain to you that we are in agreement with it not being hosted on Sunday, but everytime I get some reply like the one above. Just say you agree with me if that's the case, instead of responding to me like you don't.

And FTR, most of the people so against distenson don't seem to share your belief that of "it's not because X number of people like Distension or anything like that, it's because the event still has bugs and TWL has been around longer, so TWL shouldn't have it's schedule changed because certain people want to play Distension."

If that was the case, the discussion would have ended with "No distension during TWL." Nowhere has it EVER been suggested to change the TWL schedule. Who told you this? Where have you read this? This is a blatant example of why I'm constantly posting damage control. You post a statement like this as if it's actually being considered. Now I have to come on and perform some sort of retraction so 10 other idiots don't quote it as truth.

If Distension is the only reason you log into TW, and you've repeatedly said that, then what's the point of you even acting like it's a bad thing that Wark and others are taking issue simply because they favor TWL more? You're doing the exact same thing, from the opposite side. The only reason you care is because of Distension, you don't really care about TWL. They care about TWL, and not Distension. Why act like they're being selfish when you're doing the same thing? You get dramatic about Distension and yet get upset when Wark pulls a quote supporting his opinion about TWL being a driving force in TW? Why?

It just seems silly for you to get so up in arms and mad at wark or Zeebu when you're doing the exact same thing you're slamming them for.

It's a bad thing because they want to limit distension. I DO NOT WANT TO LIMIT TWL, GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. This is EXACTLY why it's NOT the same thing. In fact, they've succeeded in limiting it so that I can't play it at all, or at best 2 hrs saturday morning.

I don't want TWL to die, I've advocated for more involvement actually. It's no secret that I do not wish to participate in TWL as it is currently run. If it was change to a format we discussed several months ago (i'm not going into it here) then I'd be all for it. You seem to be missing the sentence I've thrown into most of my posts: I see no reason they can't coexist. If you see a reason, I see a solution to the problem.

They are being selfish. They've explicitly said they do not wish distension to be played at all, that is selfish. Where have I suggested "the opposite" by suggesting that TWL not be played at all. This is ludicris. You're calling me selfish when I want to compromise so that THEY AREN'T AFFECTED AT ALL, and I'm allowed my measely 2 hrs a day or w/e they eventually go with. It's not the same thing at all, I'm not doing the same thing. I hope you can see this now. I'm not constantly calling for the end of TWL or the restrictions of it. Whether or not I think it's as important to me (not the zone) is irrelevant, because I'm still advocating for it even though I don't play it or enjoy it.

Chief, chill the fuck out. I'm not wark or HTF, I don't need to go out of my way to rile people up and I don't go out of my way to slam them needlessly. Even if I don't like the person, if we agree on something I agree with them, it's that simple. If we don't we don't, and as long as they stay civil I stay civil. I'm not trying to page you as a desperate distension player, I just see you freaking out over the game over and over and acting like anyone who disagrees with you is attacking you- it just seems bizarre to me.

so now I'm freaking out. I'm glad I've got someone who knows me to realize that I've actually freaked out. Because here I thought I was defending something that's being vilified and oppressed because I enjoy it. Really, it's not freaking out, it's called standing up for what you believe in. I won't freak out at all. If they decide to cancel distension permanently, then I might freak out, but most likely I'll just quit and go back to normal everyday life. And I definitely wouldn't call that freaking out.

So I'm not trying to belittle you or ruin your day, chill homie. I'm just discussing the game and trying to give my input on how it can be helped.

Then why not advocate a compromise like I'm doing? Or is the only way to help the "game" to end distension? You're standing in line with wark and HTF there. Maybe all you want is for it not to be on Sundays, but you've done very little to say when you DO want it on.

[paradise!]

less talk, more cowbell.

[Liquid Blue]

FTR, I don't want it on sundays and never have. you say you're just explaining why people don't want it on sundays, but HMS is pretty much the only person who wants it on sundays, and that's out of the principle of sticking to a schedule more than "getting 2 more hours of rpg points for my spaceship".

I'm explaining why it shouldn't interfere with TWL period and the most recent example is the sunday issue. It's not like I'm just saying it over and over to be a broken record, it's because I keep seeing " TWL Players are only mad because Distension is popular and TWL is old and boring" , or variations of that. I'm trying to repeatedly say that no, it's not because X number of people like Distension or anything like that, it's because the event still has bugs and TWL has been around longer, so TWL shouldn't have it's schedule changed because certain people want to play Distension.

If Distension is the only reason you log into TW, and you've repeatedly said that, then what's the point of you even acting like it's a bad thing that Wark and others are taking issue simply because they favor TWL more? You're doing the exact same thing, from the opposite side. The only reason you care is because of Distension, you don't really care about TWL. They care about TWL, and not Distension. Why act like they're being selfish when you're doing the same thing? You get dramatic about Distension and yet get upset when Wark pulls a quote supporting his opinion about TWL being a driving force in TW? Why?

It just seems silly for you to get so up in arms and mad at wark or Zeebu when you're doing the exact same thing you're slamming them for.

And believe me LB, I don't think it's anything more than a fun way to play continuum. Evidenced by the fact that I haven't played since Friday. Not just because of the shitty schedule, but because there are other things to do. Please don't belittle my attempts to defend this game by making me out to be some sort of hopelessly addicted distenion(whateveryouwanttocallpeoplewhoplayit), because that's really a low blow more up wark's alley. I'd assume you'd defend anything you felt was getting a bad rep too.

Chief, chill the fuck out. I'm not wark or HTF, I don't need to go out of my way to rile people up and I don't go out of my way to slam them needlessly. Even if I don't like the person, if we agree on something I agree with them, it's that simple. If we don't we don't, and as long as they stay civil I stay civil. I'm not trying to page you as a desperate distension player, I just see you freaking out over the game over and over and acting like anyone who disagrees with you is attacking you- it just seems bizarre to me.

So I'm not trying to belittle you or ruin your day, chill homie. I'm just discussing the game and trying to give my input on how it can be helped.

why the fuck would we waste our time improving something when idiots like you will constantly bitch about it?


sound familiar?

this is exactly why I said before that you're a useless tool that jacks off to distension. You care so much about it and snap at anyone remotely in disagreement that it's the best thing ever, and continue to pump out useless posts. You aren't even on the level of nub, and it's the weak attitude that you have that has helped stall this game for so long.