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  • Now that Weasel's bullet speed has been changed...

    How about the ops actually start fixing some of the other problems with some other ships that have been plaguing pubs for years? The 2 notable but non-game breaking changes that SHOULD be changed are the repel delay for Leviathans and Terr's bomb radar. I'll go into deeper detail...

    The repel/refire problem has been around for god knows how long... but since levs have a relatively low population and even lower populations for ones that actually think LT'ers can shove it up there you know whats, the voice of change for them are not heard... Its rather ridiculous that all other ships with repels can fire one rep then almost immediately take a action back as a counter attack. About 90% of lev deaths (speaking from personal experience) occur because of this delay. A WB can get right up in the grill of a Lev, the lev reps the wb's shot but by the time the lev can finally use something other than their other repel (I.E. actually firing back [with either guns or bombs] or even using the 1 rocket to get some distance from said wb) the WB would've been then fired again... I know there isn't a person who has played lev and has not experienced this first hand. There is a way to fix this but for whatever reason, its not.

    From what i can tell, the main reason why the change hasn't been implemented is because repels are directly tied to the refire rate of bombs. As such, levs, if they actually had enough energy to do so, have about 3 and a half seconds before it can fire once more if the energy required is there. The only time this rule is actually bypassed is when you receive a teamgreen. Aside from that, why cant we lower lev's refire rate so that they can actually fight back instead of sitting there like sitting ducks? Its not like Lev's have such a ridiculous recharge rate that they will carpet bomb walls, and not only that, its not like people actively grab greens anymore to begin with to even promote a quick double fire for a lev... that and the greening process in general sucks since about 70% of them are always something useless (multi-fire greens).

    Really, if you can give weasel players what they have crying out for (change), why can't we even the playing field for levs just a bit that isn't game breaking? This like someone said in the weasel thread, this isn't "give an inch, ask for a mile"... Rather its a ask for an inch to get half a mile...

    Now to Terr bomb radar... Its something that i touched on in the public change forum. This too isn't game changing and it doesn't touch any of the settings for lev in which LT bitchers would whine about to begin with. Countless times it would seem that someone would have the bead on a LT with their bombs but they would warp away since they can see it coming a mile away on radar. This is at least something to consider to at least help combat LT's so that FR's can have a somewhat fighting chance against LT's...

    These changes are obviously not game breaking and are well warranted. If they can tailor to the weasel population, start throwing other ships a bone as well.

  • #2
    Well As much as the limits go with continuum, there are possibilities to come in the next client that's been worked on since 2006. When that is finished, the game itself will become more open than ever before. Maybe once this project is finished, the owner of this stagnant zone might push forward to change for once.

    Increase the leviathan's bombfiredelay from 300 or 400 to a fourth less delay so like 275 or 300.
    [Nov 07 11:13] RuBbEr BoMb: all your base belong to us

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    • #3
      lol the bullets are faster!
      nice change staff

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      • #4
        Yeah but why wait for a new client to make rather simple changes that can be made now aside from the somewhat hesitant to change owners that things are just fine as they are now.... and on a side note, i hate the new x bullet speed...

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        • #5
          hahahah "simple" changes? BULLSHIT Discretion is being made so that so much more can be done. Trust me, it's a great thing to look forward to.
          [Nov 07 11:13] RuBbEr BoMb: all your base belong to us

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          • #6
            nobody cares what you think about the matter Jab you ..... fuck.
            Rabble Rabble Rabble

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            • #7
              The cloaker needs to be bulked up into a better ship honestly it's the worst ship in the game imo, the small cloaker was awesome and now it's a useless ship.

              The Levi needs to be nerfed heavily into a ship suited for basing, honestly people use to complain about weasels swooping through the little holes in base and then killing one person maximum and then dying but a lev fires one bomb and every single person dies, it's not fun it ruins pub, why did staff stop looking into changing it for the better, i hate levs.

              If you've died from the delay from rep you have to find a way round it the most obvious way is to port quite a distance away or lay your port so you can rep one bullet and then portal and rocket and kill the assailent theres ways around the levs flaws and i think if your talking about beefing the ship up anymore your mental.

              There are several ways of dealing with lt's one of them is become an lt yourself but doing so doubles the problem of lt's, another is get a little crew together consisting of a spider with antiwarp, a terr and warbird, another is laying a portal in one of the lev shots porting and then bursting to kill (very effective). But the way i deal with them is get on the freq by being nice and then tk it. Illegal but i feel lt's should be illegal and the lev should be nerfed so who cares.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by inaphyt View Post
                If you've died from the delay from rep you have to find a way round it the most obvious way is to port quite a distance away or lay your port so you can rep one bullet and then portal and rocket and kill the assailent theres ways around the levs flaws and i think if your talking about beefing the ship up anymore your mental.
                Obviously your bias towards lev obviously lead you to post the crap that i'm reading... If you die from the delay from rep you have to find a way around it? Are you serious? Lev is dead slow and is for the most part spawn killed constantly before you can even get 2 inches away from your port to begin with. Secondly, I'm not asking to buff the lev up, I'm asking to fix the damn delay problem in which is retarded to have to begin with. Yes i may be mental since i can lev all day without piggybacking on a terr so i obviously know what i'm talking about but i find it funny that you would go post "find ways around the problem" when obviously there is none...

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                • #9
                  Get better? I lev quite a bit aswell because if you can't beat the games problem might aswell join the problem and let me tell you i go positive even solo every time naturally finding a way around the rep problem, and besides you get infinite lives so if you die from that there's no problem, if the ships base settings aren't too your liking change ship. Simple prospect, you can't change fighters in a console game even if they have "problems" but every one of their problems can be worked around.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by inaphyt View Post
                    Get better? I lev quite a bit aswell because if you can't beat the games problem might aswell join the problem and let me tell you i go positive even solo every time naturally finding a way around the rep problem, and besides you get infinite lives so if you die from that there's no problem, if the ships base settings aren't too your liking change ship. Simple prospect, you can't change fighters in a console game even if they have "problems" but every one of their problems can be worked around.
                    I solo lev about 95% of the time i'm online, I too carry a positive record on it and no offense but i never see you on lev let alone online at all... Yes, there are ways around the rep problem but again, lev is so damn limited on those options they cannot be used effectively to get around let alone stay alive. Again, talk to any other true lev player and they will tell you they will want the repel lockout delay changed because every other damn ship in this zone does not have a delay like this.

                    Again, this isn't a game-breaking change to this game that would make the ship unbalanced, it in fact would at least balance itself just a tad bit so that it can defend itself more naturally as thats what the repel is naturally designed to do, fend of an attack in preparation for your counter attack. And again, if the mods can go upgrade something minor for one ship that was due for an update (x) then why not do it for another one to give soloers more of a fighting chance to stay alive.
                    Last edited by Maverick X+; 09-27-2009, 01:19 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Just because cloakers got their piece of cake doesn't mean that you'll get yours. Haven't you noticed a trend in how levis are treated? Ever since I've been online, they've been more and more limited. The rockets are the only thing that they've been given lately.
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                      • #12
                        And even then they took away one of those rockets but that was years ago. Its funny how all the bitching for x's got some sort of change, its high time someone started it for levs.

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                        • #13
                          I think this is a valid request.

                          I understand why we have to limit the firing rate of levi bombs - one alone can do a lot of damage. I doubt this hard-coded cooldown was there to limit their repel rate. Now that it does, it is a undesirable side-effect.

                          Even with its removal, firing rate of levi is still limited by energy rechage rate. if it happens to grab a full recharge, I say let them fire - everyone else is doing that.

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                          • #14
                            Levs are crap.
                            They should make their bombs much much way way weaker, and give them perhaps better speed and mobility...

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                            • #15
                              It's the halfway decent levs who have the best records in pub - 3:1 or 4:1 sometimes, much higher than is reasonable for the rest of the ships that have to aim. So the levs who manage to green up get their revenge and then quite a lot more. Granted, most of them attach to a terrier, but the lev really wasn't designed for soloing like you do, and you're probably the only one I've seen do it consistently.

                              The penalty for the ridiculous L3 blast radius is that everyone wants you dead, all the time, immediately if not sooner. The reward for surviving is that you get to slaughter people, usually from somewhere safe.

                              I'd be all for downgrading the lev to L2 bombs and giving it more maneuverability to make it self reliant, as has been discussed. I doubt it would ever happen though.
                              Originally posted by Crunchy Nut
                              2d spaceships nobody gives a shit

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