Changes in Pub

[Rab]

Yeh... change the weasel soon - it ain't working.

[Izor]

Who thought that the old weasel would be ok and why? As much as you guys are focused on basing, solo wbing has always been an important part of pub. It's impossible to do with these new settings because you can just get killed due to no fault of your own. I know some new 2 year player wants to make their impact on this game, but when DoCk> put the original weasel/lanc changes into effect it was for good reason. The weasel became a viable option for a basing team to attack from another side and the lanc became its own ship instead of another repackaged wb. If the weasel is now 'op' its because you guys fucked up the base to begin with..maybe you should look there first.

Also, fix the killothon so that people actually play it. I remember people would actually play it at one point. Letting people choose how they experience the game is important and some relatively new player(s) that happen to like basing over jav/wb shouldnt be having this much power to change that on a whim. In the year or so that I've been mostly gone I come back to a game that much more aggressively is pushing people into the base and a game with a much lower playerbase than I left it. The trend has generally been downward over the last several years, but these changes surely wont make it better.

[AceHac]{er]

sc00p could you explain what was said to you or what I missed with the conversation? I think the changes stink and I don't agree that things are better this way but I never got the "rotten attitude" feeling from FiS you apparently did. LF and Taxi are entitled to their views even if they are wrong. So the only rotten attitude I noticed was when Wazzaaa.NL made comment about goodbye to those that don't like the new changes, but IMO he always has been a jerk and even if the settings went back he would stay to be the troll he is, so I let his comments roll off per usual. So while I agree with you in my dissatisfaction with the new settings I never got a "this is set in stone" or a "screw you" feeling from the conversation with FiS today. Did something more transpire after I left or in private?


Now more of my "this would be better than the current settings" ...
Put the weasel back little the way it was but maybe block the 2 side holes on small maze (not all six). As for lev, I don't like the changes but, compared to the complete change of function of the weasel, leave them a while; just put back buy anywhere like the rest of the ships. Please from now on make small changes to one ship at a time.

[sc00p]

I already said this in pub, but after the conversation I had today with fiS and LF about these changes I'm absolutely livid with them both, especially fiS. Their attitude toward the players (who keep this game alive by playing) is what's killing the damn game, not any changes to ship or zone settings. As such, I'm quitting and rescinding my greenlight vote on Steam. If things change for the better (not necessarily change back to the way it was before) AND they change their rotten attitude toward players both old AND new, I might consider coming back. If not, well then they can continue to kill TW and the game.

[Spock!]

I dunno bout this one Saul. I like to one-shot surprise people in mid-base too much for this....

Also, random EMP bombs through the little holes in base will make basing a pain in the ass.

Amen.

[SinOfSaul]

Howdy! I have some suggestions for some changes to the Weasel, the only ship I play. Make it small with cloak and energy draining stealth. Take away the lethal bullets and give it EMP and very slow rate Spider bullets. Make it a ship that can be very annoying but not so deadly on its own. Make X radar for all ships drain energy so that they cant keep it on all the time to hunt down the X easily, make it more of a game of cat and mouse.

[Spock!]

Should have stayed with this color though and not change coz of someone complaining

I made the temporary change in hopes that poor Mr. kthx would read a very important message. He needs love more that any of us, and we should all send him a message saying how much we love him.

[Oranje]

Oh. Mr. kthx just needs a hug. Hugs show affection, and affection is often love, and love is all you need. If we all just love and give peace a chance this would be a utopia of happiness.

Actually no. Utopia doesn't exist. It is a fiction created by the shadow government to give the people a false sense of hope. Any utopia that does form on earth will actually be a oppressed overly controlled and brainwashed society. Happy people are easier to control....

Should have stayed with this color though and not change coz of someone complaining

[Spock!]

I completely ignore anything the guy above me says because of his text color. It probably was a bad idea anyways.

Oh. Mr. kthx just needs a hug. Hugs show affection, and affection is often love, and love is all you need. If we all just love and give peace a chance this would be a utopia of happiness.

Actually no. Utopia doesn't exist. It is a fiction created by the shadow government to give the people a false sense of hope. Any utopia that does form on earth will actually be a oppressed overly controlled and brainwashed society. Happy people are easier to control....

[Oranje]

Hereby another but random reply so i can collect an extra +1 from mani

[Oranje]

I completely ignore anything the guy above me says because of his text color. It probably was a bad idea anyways.

Which guy?

[kthx]

I completely ignore anything the guy above me says because of his text color. It probably was a bad idea anyways.

[Spock!]

Right now the Weasel sucks for both the pilot and other players.

It is ez to kill anything without x-radar, but anything with x radar makes you easy prey. Overall its a pretty annoying and sucky situation....


So, as I said before, take away stealth but make it faster with more maneuverability. That way it will be easier to hit when shooting by radar, but not a complete sitting duck for those hunting it.

Also, keeping it big will not allow it to kill basing and shit like that.....

Amen.

[Pressure Drop]

At the height of TW’s popularity what were the ship settings for Pub 0? Would not the best thing to do is go back to those, whatever the short-comings might be, and try them for a while? If those changes to Pub 0 were indeed successful in establishing a baseline where at least some new players are being retained, then (and only then) perhaps minor tweaks could be made for improved play.

But I would question forming opinions on the success/failure of the current settings since they are occurring in the middle of other substantial changes. I would also be hesitant to use the opinions in this forum to form any casual observation about the success of the changes.

Have Pub 0 base games been lasting longer or been more competitive? Have we evidence from polling players (especially new players) how they feel about Pub 0 now? Are there any other quantifiable ways in place to determine success?

Hopefully this is not going to be just another in the long line of multiple, contemporaneous changes with no hope of ever being able to really understand their impact.
eph

not remember the lanc had 1 shot kill bullets ? never heard much compalints making it have proper lv2 bullets and personaly i thought that was a great change

no idea what they have done with the x but it by it's very nature is an imbalanced ship and thats why its persistantly tinkered with - i always thought maybe try lessening the xradar drain and make it buyable on more ships as an option. Maybe even making the ships that cant currently get it have the full drain and decrease the other ships drain rate by half etc...

lev was over powered and the major problem that bugged me

[Ephemeral]

At the height of TW’s popularity what were the ship settings for Pub 0? Would not the best thing to do is go back to those, whatever the short-comings might be, and try them for a while? If those changes to Pub 0 were indeed successful in establishing a baseline where at least some new players are being retained, then (and only then) perhaps minor tweaks could be made for improved play.

But I would question forming opinions on the success/failure of the current settings since they are occurring in the middle of other substantial changes. I would also be hesitant to use the opinions in this forum to form any casual observation about the success of the changes.

Have Pub 0 base games been lasting longer or been more competitive? Have we evidence from polling players (especially new players) how they feel about Pub 0 now? Are there any other quantifiable ways in place to determine success?

Hopefully this is not going to be just another in the long line of multiple, contemporaneous changes with no hope of ever being able to really understand their impact.
eph