Changes in pub #2

[Ephemeral]

Pub 0 currently has 17 ppl playing in Pub 0, a weak but competitive game going with two equal frequencies. There were no weasels playing. There were 8 levs playing and even though both frequencies had some it killed the game.

With the various ship setting changes has anyone been keeping up with how many ppl are playing these ships? Has Pub 0 become more competitive as reflected with longer games?

Obviously we cannot use total number of new players entering or game downloads as a metric here; this measurement would include all kinds of other changes such as Steam. And simply listening to this forum is not a good way to determine ship change success/failure. Or is everyone just going to pat each other on the back and call it a success without really knowing?

How can the success/failure of ship changes be empirically measured so we can once and for all actually understand what is being done? IMO, anyone who comes up with a change suggestion should also be held responsible for coming up with a way to measure its success/failure (other than making a thread on the forum).
eph

[SinOfSaul]

Ill say it again, make the weasel small and give it stealth with fast energy drain when engaged so that it has a chance of getting away from x hunters. Give it weak bullets, spider bullets? so that it is not so instantly deadly. It can help base by harassing and being a diversion from main entrance. For me that was the best part of the small x, being a royal pain in the ass! A lot of fun, its a game right?

[fiS]

Spock, glad you like it, thanks for sharing the thoughts.

Eph, I've been playing pub a couple hours today and yesterday. I think it's hard to measure that, but yeah it would be nice to keep track of actively playing population in pub so that we have something to compare. And yeah, I too have noticed that occasionally there were lots of levs on the teams, but even though the games were really intense and certainly people were basing. It didn't look to me as if the levs were killing the game, absolutely not. (Gotta say that the teams were around from 7 vs 7 to around 13 vs 13 at the time I played, not really too crowded and not dead). I'm also seeing weasels, in both spawn and base. People seem to not watch the radar and weasel is strong enough to do some impact on the game, even if it's not really huge. That's at least what I noticed when I played. (So the purpose of integrating levis into basing seems to work, because people play it even though its former main strength got weakened by a lot, while -from my point of view- it's not ruining games anymore.)

SinOfSaul, thanks for the input, but what you are suggesting is something entirely different than the concept of the weasel (which I interpret as a sneaky ship that attacks from behind, sort of). I think giving the weasel L1 red bullets would entirely ruin it, because if it shoots once, the whole ninja effect would be gone making the cloak ability entirely useless - and when the prey is on full energy, you will need around 3 bullets hitting at minimum to kill it. What might be a nice thought if it would get L2 yellow bullets (for the small X). That would be quite interesting, but then again - same effect as above: once it shoots, its cover is gone. Taking blue L3 bullets away from the X is probably not a good idea.

[Spock!]

I know I like it because it matches my style of play, but most people in pub seem to be saying it is a lame ship now.(from whom iv'e talked to.) I was thinking maybe add stealth that uses energy to make it a bit more playable for basers and less-skills players.

In terms of ship use, I noticed alot more levs around, but there seems to be less of the X.

I agree 100% with fis on the L3 bullet issue. The X is rather weak without the element of surprise, and it hard to surprise somebody while peppering away at them with L1 bullets.

I also agree with ornje, the time the EMP affects recharge should be shortened a bit.

Amen.

[Tone]

A Levi is a Galaxy Class

A cloaker is the USS Defieant

Lancasters are taken from the cardassians

spiders are Gem H'dar

Warbirds are boeing 737's

[SinOfSaul]

SinOfSaul, thanks for the input, but what you are suggesting is something entirely different than the concept of the weasel (which I interpret as a sneaky ship that attacks from behind, sort of). I think giving the weasel L1 red bullets would entirely ruin it, because if it shoots once, the whole ninja effect would be gone making the cloak ability entirely useless - and when the prey is on full energy, you will need around 3 bullets hitting at minimum to kill it. What might be a nice thought if it would get L2 yellow bullets (for the small X). That would be quite interesting, but then again - same effect as above: once it shoots, its cover is gone. Taking blue L3 bullets away from the X is probably not a good idea.

L2 bullets would be fine.. as for losing its cover when it shoots I think that would set up some interesting confrontations before it can cloak/stealth again! Your interpretation of the role of the weasel is certainly 1, however I don't care to play it that way much... I prefer to harass base through the small ports, needling away, being a pain.. This way of playing can certainly help team basing play as what will often happen is that I can distract the enemy to the point of them leaving base to come after me or turning their backs to the main entry.

[bandcampgirl]

I vote it just gets put back to the way it was before fis started this nonsense

[Tone]

There is no reason why both settings can be used alternating by weeks. The new Levi that has a roman candle duct tape to the front can beat you well as the master pilot works with what he or she has.

[mtine]

I vote it just gets put back to the way it was before fis started this nonsense

NO.

[Bosshawk]

putting the levi back to l2 bullets nerfed everything you just tried to do...

the point of the l3 bullets was to help it defend itself... it has no bearing on an LT whatsoever.... but by moving them back down you now make it unable to defend itself again....

ie: yesterday in pub, a lanc was sitting there not moving, i fired at it 4x and each time it recharged faster then my 2nd shot could even kill it.. and thats something thats not even moving

[fiS]

putting the levi back to l2 bullets nerfed everything you just tried to do...

the point of the l3 bullets was to help it defend itself... it has no bearing on an LT whatsoever.... but by moving them back down you now make it unable to defend itself again....

ie: yesterday in pub, a lanc was sitting there not moving, i fired at it 4x and each time it recharged faster then my 2nd shot could even kill it.. and thats something thats not even moving

You're missing the point of the levi still having the strongest bomb in the game, and hitting any ship that is at full energy 2x with the bullets -unless there's a break between- gets everything killed.
There is in fact a lot of people who prefer L2 over L3 bullets because L2 costs less energy and you can sometimes 1 hit kill with these bullets keeping more than half the energy instead of dying to a L1 bullet after that, hence it's not really even a downgrade... If you get what I mean. Levi now has 3 !buyable items (everywhere) and it starts with all of them which actually leaves enough defense and still the strongest bomb with EMP even. Can't have everything.
I played levi a lot lately and I absolutely don't struggle to get into mid or FR at all.

[Xog]

I played levi a lot lately and I absolutely don't struggle to get into mid or FR at all.

isn't that the MAIN issue though?

[Tone]

Fis had enough common sense to recognize how douchbagic & mentally ill cloakers are

The sound of getting a green has to be changed to a short electronic syntheizer sound rather than a nose sniffing mucus.

[Spock!]

Fis had enough common sense to recognize how douchbagic & mentally ill cloakers are

The changes to the weasel make it more skill oriented, and in all truthfulness it is alot harder to stay alive and get kills in the X than most ships in pub. (aside from the shark)

Any half witted player should generally be in the habit of checking the radar once in a while. And since they are big they are much more easy to hit and people need to stop bitching about being "lamed" by the X since at this point they are just telling everyone how much of a noob they really are for not glancing at radar once in a while.


Apparently the X changes did weed out alot of people that like to be lame asses though. From what I noticed the X is close to extinction in pub.

Peace and long Life.


THE GOVERNMENT IS WATCHING.

[SinOfSaul]

Apparently the X changes did weed out alot of people that like to be lame asses though. From what I noticed the X is close to extinction in pub.

The changes certainly weeded me out but I don't think anyone would accuse me of being a "lame ass". Make it small, cloak, stealth with energy drain and LIMITED fire power and I bet a lot of people would play it. It would be FUN! I couldn't care less about kills, I would much rather harass an distract the other team. Make these changes and you will eliminate the "lame ass" X players but add another interesting element to the game. Make it so....