Cheats or lag in TWD

[Shaddowknight]

Yeah, im sure some may be inducing. Lag Inducing on low levels is one of the hardest things to prove. Lowering lag limits shuts out half of europe from even playing, and it can sometimes be hard to prove its not their isp's fault (somewhat possible though) or the result of having 2 computers three cell phones and an xbox1 all connected to a wireless router.

[Exalt]

One of the lag issues nowadays: Wondows 98 platform was fairly stable (at least SE was), and had nearly zero background internet proccesses unless you specifically installed them. Windows nowadays has like 80000 things set to constantly wanting to update plus pandora/spotify and everything else constantly updating and reporting.

True, but you'd think having 30ms average .1 .1 would mean you get LESS eats than you do now. I understand the lag spikes and shit, especially do to auto-updates (which I always have off, I only update b4 going to bed or something), but still... with computers nowadays having minimum of 4gb ram and quad-core processors with huge amounts of system memory, a game from 1996 should run as smoothly and lag free as anything out there. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that people eat MORE now than they ever did in the past with 14k modems and that AOL program minimized in the background. People don't really jump all over the screen like the used to or shoot invisible bullets that appear 10 feet in front of their ship like back in the day, I mean they DO seem to be generally lag free in those regards, but they eat every bullet dead on and a lot of them are undodgable bullet that couldn't be anything but a dud on their side of the client too. It just doesn't make much sense.

[Shaddowknight]

One of the lag issues nowadays: Wondows 98 platform was fairly stable (at least SE was), and had nearly zero background internet proccesses unless you specifically installed them. Windows nowadays has like 80000 things set to constantly wanting to update plus pandora/spotify and everything else constantly updating and reporting.

[Ephemeral]

Exalt,
I agree that some people cheat, I agree that cheating in an online 2d space game so you can feel superior is sad. I would also add that inducing is done by some players.

But I am not so sure that all the eats you are seeing compared to 10 years ago is due to cheating; some percentage of it is probably due the popularity of wireless.
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[Exalt]

I don't think CE, at least the ppl that used them in TWL before (delectable, vys, Mythril) works like it used to, but for people like Jones to say there have never been cheats in SS, that's just ignorance. Obviously Jones wasn't there playing against people like vys and delectable back in 2004/05ish and watching first hand as these players cheated in TWLD. I don't know about Dice, but with faggots like megaman running the show, I don't doubt it one bit.

Anyways, there ARE cheats for subspace. For people to actually take the time to set them up correctly though, that's pretty pathetic considering the talent level nowadays. That being said, I get more eats on people these days than I ever did during any other time playing subspace in the last 14 years. I get about 10 eats every DD at least, although I just play through it. You have to expect that people will eat, and for the legitimate people that are just laggots, they also get eats on other players, because an eat is really just a dodged shot that doesn't show up on your side of the client.

Anyways, with all that being said, there always were and still are cheats for subspace. CE was just the most well known example. Also, if I remember correctly, there were hotkeys to turn things like CE on or off at a whim without alt tabbing the subspace client, therefore it IS possible to cheat and also do it subtly enough to not get caught. I'll never understand why people are so bad at this game that they feel the need to do it, but it is possible. To deny that is just ignorant, because it was proven DURING TWL games in the past. There is a reason VYS got lifebanned (he was banned for like 6 months in actuality). I remember even joining vys' squad Lifeban and playing in TWL under that squad name in the past. It was a great inside joke.

[2pac]

After evading ban like 10x times already, shit hasn't changed much boobies. You still got laggots eating shots point blank, lagging with 100ms ploss plus extra s2c. Funny thing is most of these players that lag purposely are in squads where staff are team mates yet they don't do anything. I've still witness abuse rampant in this community so Left_eye(Vincent) you can go suck a dick for trying to threaten me with LEGAL action when you can't even manage staff correctly no one cause they are spoiled by the powers that be.

Game is dead already when you got a team like Fierce not even twdding anymore. I'll be back again cause these idiots can't seem to keep me banned. It's mad fun trolling players like best or 24 and shitting on them under alias so they go snitching to staff cause they are butthurt cause they still suck.

Cya later boobies.

[BooBiesYaY]

haha, yeah i remember when I sent a PM to every active forum member with links and info on how to use the cheats

wonder why i got unbanned

also curious as to who the fuck reported me 5 years ago for that

im sure and admin had fun deleting all my PM's

/afk for another 3 years

hah. I didn't report back then. I tried to spark an argument back then and the idiots like Jones the wannabe mod stooge and the staff/mods in power back then knew of the cheating, used it, condoned it in the top squads, and tried to paint anyone complaining as the crazy old uncle who spouts absurdities.

[BooBiesYaY]

I don't understand how if I eat a bullet in a event arena using CE I get a year ban. However most of the laggots on tw eat bullets during games and get away with it. Its a pathetic system the staff has created.

I'm still convinced some or a moderate amount of cheating occurs. And I'm not talking about using CE in an event arena, but cheating in the leagues. But who cares anymore, and mods were complicit with it, even took part in it back in the day, so why should anyone assume they are policing, or even looking for it now.

Some of its definitely euro lag or hopone lag of course, but that doesn't explain why the lag limits in dd's or league arenas don't spec them unless the limits were changed to like 15% ploss without me knowing, and it was 3% before.

Still a huge monopoly of talent on the rosters. Top squads are still hoarding all the best talent, so the leagues are pointless right now. If you have 3-4 of the best players in every match, your always gonna win when other teams even have 1 weak player every match. A lot of my friends are in the top squads, doesn't make it right in my opinion for it to be so monopolistic.

Hurry back pac.

[Xog]

Back in the day (and even up to several years ago), cheats, both obvious and discrete, were distributed

haha, yeah i remember when I sent a PM to every active forum member with links and info on how to use the cheats

wonder why i got unbanned

also curious as to who the fuck reported me 5 years ago for that

im sure and admin had fun deleting all my PM's

/afk for another 3 years

[2pac]

Don't be mad at your zones failure, shit you ever even make it to SSC? Or did resol host it and trash it like mg? GG kid sit ur ass down fool

[roxxkatt]

because you are a faggot and they arent
gg faggot

[2pac]

I don't understand how if I eat a bullet in a event arena using CE I get a year ban. However most of the laggots on tw eat bullets during games and get away with it. Its a pathetic system the staff has created.

[BooBiesYaY]

lag limits in pub were raised not too long ago, as for leagues, I don't know for sure on their lag limit history.

Yeah, thank god for that. Its around 10% now. I think leagues are 3%, and in the past i dont think the limits were too much higher than that either, but i honestly forget. With hopone, in pub im either at 0.1%, 8%, or 16%. Luckily, most of the time its either 0% ploss for me, or 8% just under the cap. On occasion im at 16% and i cant even enter pub.

Im glad they raised the pub limits simply because of the hopone issue.

As for leagues, i dont even think limits do anything, since the laggiest (or most questionable) players either dont register under "lag" for whatever reasons (like izor states high jitters but no ms which is strange since that should technically spike ms/ploss constantly) or are doing questionable activity as discussed in this thread.

Let me say this. I played against and with vys, delectable and all the others that admitted they cheated. Im in a unique position (as are many others who played with/against) to know exactly what those cheats "looked like" on my screen. They look like they could be lag but have clear differences, mostly the lag is too surgical, and designed as an advantage rather than true lag which could be both advantageous or perilous (most lag makes you miss more etc).

And I can say this, some you can blame on lag, but when your not specced by limits, and when the attributes look really suspect, you have to at least not make the same mistake twice and start making sure a guy who looks like he has 20% ploss in a 3% ploss limited arena isnt doing something questionable.

That is, of course, assuming some mods even give a sh1t which i doubt it. But you guys should strive for the most honest, competitive leagues you can thats my opninion. If you do something, dont half ass it, do it right.

[Shaddowknight]

lag limits in pub were raised not too long ago, as for leagues, I don't know for sure on their lag limit history.

[BooBiesYaY]

Cheating is so 2005. But you are right boobies, so many people gets away with cheating in this game just because they are friends with staff. I mean guys like Vys and Delectable got banned for cheating and should never have been allowed back. But thanks to them knowing staffers they got to come back to trench wars and Vys even made staff lol. While many other cheaters never got unbanned, because they didn't know any staffers. Hell I got perma banned from these forums in 2005 for telling people about gashi and nog and were never allowed to signup again. I'm only here because I managed to "sneak" back in thanks to the new forumbotsignup system.

I hope your right and cheating is 'so 2005', but im not as confident and nobody can really blame me considering the history on this game since 2000.

In the past, as you very correctly point out, even several cheaters have been made staff. The mingling has always taken place and continues to this day. You only need to look at the league monopolies every year there were 4-5 teams, created by mods, and containing primarily these BFF's or those mods mingle with.

Mods have shown no true intent to run a truly unbiased game. They havent meaningfully addressed cheating in the past, and the BFF's who have really F'ed up connections OR outright cheat, they dont scrutinize in games.

Is there rampant discrete cheating which gives ships an advantage for some players or is it just like Izor states, a guy on a shared network in a dorm, with an insane "jitter". Well, when I used connections similar to that, those jitters and other things spiked me over the limits almost immediately and over and over in leagues and even in pub sometimes. I have heard no explanation on how these unstable connections can evade lag limits, it makes NO sense. Lag limits are extremely sensitive, thats why its implausible that what I see on half these guys can evade those limits for an entire game with a mere 1 lagout perhaps.

Further, you can chock some of this stuff up to lag, but there are other symptoms that dont even look like lag. They look like external programs manipulating the connection OR metrics of play itself, even slight.

But as you point out, why should anyone trust mods, who've appointed cheaters to the mod/staff position, ignored all cheating their friends did in the past, mingled with these people for 10+ years on the top squads.. and so forth. Its hard to have much trust in staff or mods to even have the brains to identify what a cheat looks like anyway. All the cheating was proven due to confessions by players and it circling the community, not good detective work by staff most of the time. Needless to say not all mods are stupid or complicit, but my guess is they cant do much within the system either.

Good points.