BanID #2819 - requesting answer from M_M God

[iPad]

2pac tbh ur very lucky to hav ppl like exalt to hav sided w/ u

[Exalt]

weak has pretty much summed it up: we already lost a competitive TWD player in vys/ivf it rly sends a negative message around to the older players to see what this zone has gone down to with how staff is treating the situation. Regardless of what 2pac has done in the past or staff's discontent with him, this is exactly how the process of this game being obselete would be dramatically speed up. Free 2pac

I talked to Lefty (Left_Eye) about this situation in-game today to figure out exactly what his side of the story was. Apparently, 2pac evaded during his 90 day ban, and the reason he didn't check his other bans in other zones was because he claimed that was his first ban for cheating. He trusted him, because he admitted to it. Therefore, he took his word and assumed it was good, and gave the minimum ban required for cheating, which is pretty lenient honestly. Apparently, 2pac has lied to us all about his "evasions" because he DID evade twice during his original 90 day ban, which added more time. Then, sysops from that other zone he was banned from for cheating told Lefty about the situation there, and why he was banned, and apparently he has been caught cheating multiple times in multiple zones. The reason Lefty hasn't come forward with the info is simply because he views he is being fair, trusted 2pac's word, he lied, and so he basically said fuck it give him the mandatory year long ban.

He also stated to me that if 2pac actually showed "sincerity" in that he would NOT cheat again and actually felt sorry/bad/remorseful in even a slight way, he would lesson he ban with no problem. He has not done so though, so he hasn't removed it. Beyond that, he is not head BanG Op. Dezmond is. So he is the one who rightfully should be the one to remove/reduce his ban sentence, and yet he seems to not give a fuck either way.

All I'm saying here is that 2pac lied to all of us, and all we heard was his side of the story. Do I agree with the way everything went down? No. Do I think his sentence should be reduced or simply unban him? Yes. Do I trust his word anymore about cheating and everything else though? Nope. I don't like when someone lies to my face, because I stuck up for him and then find out through my own channels/sources that he lied about practically everything to gain remorse for his position. I think that's bullshit. Admit what you did and I guarantee that you're ban will either be lessoned or removed entirely by Lefty. Left_Eye is very, very fair with this kinda stuff. I blasted him earlier for it all, but I take that back due to not knowing the full story. Fuck you 2pac for lying to me though.

[iPad]

Our zone just lost one cheater, vys. Let's replace him with another, 2pac. Jkjk I like both of you guys. Anyways, I'm in agreement with 2pac here, yes he made a few mistakes, but we all have at some point. .maybe not to the extent he has. However, he's an active member of subspace and brought good competition. ..He has served his time and re banning him for trying to talk to higher ups by evading is a bit rough imo..As long as his story is accurate. .He should be unbanned asap.

weak has pretty much summed it up: we already lost a competitive TWD player in vys/ivf it rly sends a negative message around to the older players to see what this zone has gone down to with how staff is treating the situation. Regardless of what 2pac has done in the past or staff's discontent with him, this is exactly how the process of this game being obselete would be dramatically speed up. Free 2pac

[roxxkatt]

[2pac]

fuck it

[Weak]

Our zone just lost one cheater, vys. Let's replace him with another, 2pac. Jkjk I like both of you guys. Anyways, I'm in agreement with 2pac here, yes he made a few mistakes, but we all have at some point. .maybe not to the extent he has. However, he's an active member of subspace and brought good competition. ..He has served his time and re banning him for trying to talk to higher ups by evading is a bit rough imo..As long as his story is accurate. .He should be unbanned asap.

[Zeebu]

man why didnt you write that post from the beginning

[2pac]

1. Yes it was my fault I did cheat, and I've said it again in my previous posts. Even if it was harmless or not I feel like I let the community down, let staff down and my squadmates as well as couple of noobies and I do apologize for that.

2. Yes I did evade the ban but only for good intension to get in touch with staff because I failed to reach them. After Left_Eye stepped down I made another thread because she kept closing my thread without me giving my side of story.

3. I want to thank my boys for the support and I do intend I living up to their expectations from now on. I wish the staff unbans me if they don't then I'll take the ban until Aug 17th 2014. Thats all I can say now, words can't explain but actions can.

Thank you once again

PS.

Shoutouts to my boys, Cash Monay sup brah got some ras malai for you brah! Big ups to Oranje, QPR, Morh, Mythril, Engi, DAbestcrew, GTL fam, RAAZI, antimatters, bitchCRES,Star Fox for being on my side even after the ban, my main MAN VYS, MOCK, my boy ray allan,RF, Welfare and hydride.

Thank you

[Oranje]

O LOL exalt already did IT LOL sorry exalt i srsly didnt read coz it was tl;dr to me LOL (dick move me for not reading); good points

[Oranje]

Sup sup qpr? Long time no see. We need more of your troll posts. Maybe some disagreements with kthx too. Lol.

Hehe nm nm, u? Indeed quite some months again :<...

Kthx, i don't know if you're reading this but hereby i disagree with you.

There; everybody is happy again $

[cash.MONay]

Would like to remind staff: Method, delectable

Sup sup qpr? Long time no see. We need more of your troll posts. Maybe some disagreements with kthx too. Lol.

[cash.MONay]

ROFL. My man 2pac. Say waddup to Paky. I support u brahh. FREE 2PAC!

But I agree with Vys. Yes he cheated and yes he is a prick at times but we got a dying population. Let him free. Plz and ty.

[Oranje]

Would like to remind staff: Method, delectable

[Exalt]

I think the first thing that needs to be acknowledged here on all parties is this:

1. 2pac: You have to admit that you've been wanting to get the attention of the sysops of TW like MM God and Demonic, and while Demo hasn't responded in the thread as of yet, you DID get the attention and acknowledgement of the situation through MM God (who is i the title of your thread). This alone means you achieved what your original intention was. In a way, this kind of counter-acts your point of evading in order to contact one of them in the first place. MM God is correct in his point that even if you could not get a response through emails (which I will also attest to the fact that those emails are either A) not read regularly if at all and/or B) are read by the wrong people, usually the BanG Ops that banned you originally, such as Lefty or Dezmond. This was a problem back in the day of Rudy being the BanG op, since Rudy was known to be a pretty big e-hardass in terms of bans, and there was no getting through to anyone above him due to him consistantly sabotaging any efforts to go above his head through those emails. This was the case in the past at the very least. I don't know how it is now though, since I have not been banned in TW for a very, very long time now, and never for long periods. The only times I remember being banned in the past was for dumb things like racism when I was a 14 year old (or around there) pre-teen who didn't have much respect for authority anyways at that point. Anyways, you clearly had the option of using forums to get in touch with staff, and as you can see, that option HAS worked. You've gained the ear of the sysops in TW, and staff in TW have been pretty transparent through this whole ordeal so far. You can't really deny this fact at this point. Therefore, MM God does have a point when he states that you had other alternatives than to just evade if you wanted to get in touch with the people that had the power to get you unbanned.

2. 2pac: The way you have come across in the past was very... abrasive to say the least, in that you basically kept calling staff jackasses/morons/idiots/useless/etc and politically speaking, that isn't the right way to go about things when you want someone to do you a favor. Hell, even in game, when you asked me and a few other players to look into your case and either give support or to at least state our opinions on your case, you even cussed me out a few times because I wasn't going full-fledged ape shit on staff for not straight up unbanning you on the spot. While I've probably made my reputation known well enough as not being a huge supporter of everything staff have done in the past or even continue to do nowadays, I cannot and will not go against my own personal belief system, and one of those beliefs currently is that I respect what staff have been trying to do lately, and I also respect a lot of the current crop of staff members TW has nowadays. I certainly don't agree with all of them, and I definitely still get into disagreements/arguments with a few of them on various issues as well, but I'm not about to go bat shit crazy and say "FUCK ALL STAFF, YOU ARE ALL FUCKING USELESS, BLAH BLAH BLAH" when that simply isn't true. I'd lose all of my own credibility doing that, and I would be going against my own personal beliefs and ruining my own character in a failed attempt to get you unbanned. I also don't agree with the things you have done (like cheating) that got you banned in the first place, and I definitely don't agree with the way you've been acting in forums in the past. To be completely honest, when you first asked me to look at your case and possibly lend my support to your cause, I hesitated originally mainly due to the way I saw you treat absolutely everyone on the forums who didn't give their complete and utter blind support for your cause, despite the way you were acting. I'm not a little kid anymore, so I don't troll just to troll these days. I try to state my honest opinions, and even though I come off as abrasive and less than cordial to a lot of people when I highly disagree with them, I won't completely bash everyone simply because they disagree. You have to take other people's opinions into account to, and that was one of the things you failed to do in the past. Only recently have you changed your tune a little bit, and I do think that will help you in the long run if you keep this up.

3. MM God, I agree with what you've been saying, and yes, you are probably correct that some of my sources are wrong or have been highly misleading. I won't deny that. I can only go by the things I've been told or have heard through the grapevine, so that is what I was going with. Until you and other staff members corrected me, I had no other way to know what the other side of the story was. My opinions have changed a bit due to that, but I also believe there are some truths in what 2pac is saying as well. I don't think he has many reasons to lie about what really happened at this point. Like you've said, he could probably do better by simply admitting he fucked up, agreeing with everything you've said, and then ask for mercy from staff members. He continues to stick to his original story, and because of that (without any changes to that story, like most liars tend to do), I think he may be telling the truth in a lot of his points.

Knowing all of this, I would like two things to happen:

1. I want 2pac to basically admit his wrongdoings, and for him to give at least an acknowledgement that he DID fuck up. He DID do wrong, despite the arena, despite the circumstances, and despite whether what he did hurt anyone or not. He still did something that was against the rules, and because of that, he needs to own up to it, admit he did it, and apologize. Just like anyone who makes a mistake, be it a regular player or staff, once that mistake is made (and we ALL make mistakes, it doesn't matter who we are), that mistake should be acknowledged, admitted to, and 2pac should give reasons and a statement to why he will NOT repeat those mistakes. This is just something that should be done either way, because it is the decent thing to do as a human being.

2. Assuming 2pac is able to do this, and is able to admit his wrongdoings and will generally give a statement saying he will NOT repeat his previous mistakes, I believe staff should be lenient enough to forgive his past transgressions and simply give the guy one more chance. You could always watch him closely, and let us not forget, should he cheat again in the future, any regular player would almost certainly do a ?cheater call on him without hesitation, since nobody in this game likes cheaters. Once he does that, do what vys said and go ahead and lifeban the guy. After his 3rd strike, I don't see why anyone would be on 2pac's corner after that. Consider it parole of a convicted criminal. Even convicted criminals have chance of parole. They get sentences to a set amount of years and tend to do half the time on good behavior. While I wouldn't consider everything 2pac has said and done in the past as "good behavior" I will say that due to the circumstances of what occurred on both ends, staff should show a bit of mercy and parole the guy from his sentence a bit early. SHOULD he fuck up ONE MORE TIME, then like others have said, go ahead and lifeban the guy and throw away the key. You'll never see another person give a fuck about his case after that, and you won't have to worry about anyone writing long forum posts in defense of him.

If you want past references to players that we gave parole/mercy to, look at delectable, mythril, vys, and others. All of them were convicted of cheating in the past, and all of them were given harsh sentences that were not served to the full extent. Even Vys was given a lifeban sentence at one point, and staff decided to finally let him go after a while. Vys has never cheated since, and actually has been a pretty productive player ever since then. The same goes for a player like Mythril, who is a very respected player in almost all corners of TW. He is well liked, his opinions matter to a lot of people, and he definitely never cheated or even thought about cheating ever since his once incident of doing it inside .?go Base or whatever it was. Delectable cheated in TWLD before, and I remember it clearly due to him doing it against whatever squad i was in during that year's TWL. At the time, I wanted the guy lifebanned forever, because his cheating helped my squad lose a very close game. Despite that, Delectable got let off the hook eventually, and he has never cheated again (as far as I know) after that fact. See the pattern here?

I think staff should give 2pac one more chance, provided he does give that apology, admits his mistakes, and promises to not continue making those mistakes. If he was able to not cheat for 5 years from 2009 until recently, then I believe he can at least stop his cheating again for another 4 or 5 years, and at that point... are we even sure this game will be alive for it to matter? If it is, well.. 2pac would be pretty fucking stupid to cheat AGAIN knowing it would cause him to be lifebanned with absolutely NOBODY in his corner for the 3rd time. So... that's my proposal. I'm not saying staff or anyone else should listen to me, but I believe it would be a fair thing, and it would show that staff can be merciful, and show that players like 2pac can change as well. Everyone deserves another chance in life, no matter what the crime is, as long as it isn't something like murder. 2pac didn't murder anyone, and his crime in the grand scheme of things wasn't that horrible. It did not affect any other player in a negative aspect other than himself. Let the guy have his one last chance.

There you have my 2 cents worth.

[2pac]

Well, that you were banned for a year for your first offense is nothing we can control nor decided upon. That was done solely by SSC Ops. We however do follow protocol when you were netbanned a second time, which is a year ban. Also, if you could have just taken the time to look around on either Trenchwars.org (http://trenchwars.org/index.php?v=staff) OR contacted us via forums, which you obviously still use/have access to, you could have easily contacted us, instead of trying to evade to appearantly contact us, which only caused you to either get your ban extended or to be looked upon as frequent evader. I already asked Demonic to give her opinion on this matter.

Well SSC ops failed at that and fail to respond to my tickets what do you think I would do evade obviously.

I have emailed twbans@n0-spam@gmail.com only to receive NO response.

No one even responded me on the forums I messaged demonic, LE, bunch of staff. It's a dead end road.

I'm not trying to bullshit you if you want look up my forum sent messages. I have nothing to hide from staff. It's very easy to *kick*ban *netban someone but very hard to unban an active player in the community who has donel less harm then couple of the staff in tw and couple players that continue to still play this game and thats what I'm learning now.

Thank you.