NO ANTIWARP IN CENTER

[Pardon_You]

So its the same as u were claiming before, Antiwarp is legal in spawn unless some mod or staff wants to be a prick about it?
Doesnt make more sense to allow it and tell ppl who complain its legal instead of being pricks and banning ppl for it.
Average time for 1 person to get 1/2 radar range away from someone in spawn and free from aw- 3 seconds?

[bkgmjo]

As stated, it is not fully done yet and not official. Wait with complaints until there is public notice. No point in contesting something which is not even there yet.

Also, it has been allowed before. That was cleared, too. There has been confusion about it and Azov has been misinformed and been told to make this statement, which was not really the official stance of staff. Since lower staffers are supposed to do what upper ones say, he just did his job as lord of public relations. Be glad that someone at least tries to establish player<=>staff communication. We lack that on a large scale and any improvement is good. Mistakes happen.

[Ephemeral]

bkgmjo,
Auspicious start.
In fact, this has to be one of the worst starts in the history of TW (and there have been some real laughable ones) and one that is sure to not help with the abysmal attitudes that many player and staff have towards the community. No offense but throwing people under the bus after management stumbles around is never simply a mistake, it is the kind of folly which does real damage by greatly lessening the chances that things will improve.

If TW management cannot organize itself enough to pull together in the same direction and deliver a simple change in rules without this kind of communication cluster fuck than all hope is lost.
Eph

[Turban]

to be honest, this thread escalated way out of its portions.

i feel that complaints about antiwarp being used improperly happen maybe once a year, and it is quite ridiculous that we may even need a rule to clarify what is and is not legal. i would rather trust staff and players to use some common sense. i fear that having a rule for this means people will start breaking the rule on purpose to generate unnecessary work for staff.

i would want to see what would happen if we removed antiwarp from the public, or at the very least removed temporarily during pure public days/weekends if we are bringing those back.

as far as the public relations go, there is still a lot of room for improvement and i will try to do my part in fixing that. you can always ask me questions on the forums or in game, and i will try to answer the questions as long as they are appropriate. not going to start leaking alias information etc for the obvious reasons.

[Pardon_You]

i would want to see what would happen if we removed antiwarp from the public, or at the very least removed temporarily during pure public days/weekends if we are bringing those back.

Bringing back pure pub and getting rid of aw, You have some of the best ideas on how to screw up tw.

[Turban]

haha,

the fact is that you can never please every player. our public community is split, some of our players enjoy basing and hate everything that ruins that (leviathans, antiwarp, unfair prizes) where as the other half is more laid back. we also have the leviathan population which is now a mere shadow of its former self, and i was a part of that demographic for a long time.

back when pure public was a thing, it was a success. we saw the most activity in public during those times as the focus was on basing. i don't know how well it would work now with the current public setting.

[Turban]

however you can rest in peace as i'm not heavily involved with the coming public changes. that honor belongs to zreqdf, bgkmjo!, fis and krynetix, i'm merely voicing my opinion as a player who wants this game to move forward.

there is no guarantee that my opinion is any better than yours, and i will be curious to see all the planned changes.

[Pardon_You]

Its not about pleasing players, its about The golden rule, because other ppl use lev and u dont like it, ur not supposed to be a dick and take it away. Im sure i wasnt the only one to quit when arli`lee lay started purepub.
This seems so bad,
A. Antiwarp is legal for everyone, everywhere.(except league and hosted base games)
B. Antiwarp is illegal in spawn for everyone all the time.
C. Antiwarp is illegal in spawn some of the time when one of the mods friends is being antiwarped and starts crying.

[Turban]

hey, at least i agree that there should be some consistency in staff actions regarding this, so we got that going for us.

the golden rule of public, if you want to call it that, has been broken more times than i dare to count. i think you have to think about the future though, rather than sticking with the present, and to be honest if we want to improve the gaming experience of public then some changes are needed that will help us in long term even if that makes some people mad.

or maybe i'm completely wrong about that. idk.

[Pardon_You]

Changing stuff makes stuff unbalanced, anti-warp on spiders was legal in spawn for the last 15 years i played the game(because enforcing it sometimes is absurd) and i don't appreciate rule 13 because i said so bs.

[Turban]

i agree that rule 13 does not belong, in its current form, to the zone rules as virtually anything can be seen as highly disruptive depending on the situation and the person laying down the law, and everyone has their own views of what is right and what is wrong.

anyway, the plan is to revert a lot of the changes that have happened in public over the past 15 years while keeping some of the ones that have seen as successful implementations.

also, while on the topic, antiwarp being legal and illegal has always been in the grey area as me and many others have stated in this thread. some staff members have deemed it illegal (using rule 13 as their reason) while most have allowed/not cared about its use because there is no clear rule about it.

to be honest, this is a minor thing that shouldn't even be argued about, but here we are mindlessly doing exactly that because there is nothing better to do.

[Ephemeral]

Turb,
This is not about AW, it is about leadership. Leadership means getting everyone on the same page, getting everyone to put aside their own opinions and rallying around a common vision. No one seems to understand that staff has to act as a team, pull together.
One staffer does not make a mistake; in the eyes of players it is ‘staff’. What you have is a group of people who still just do things on their own. Each of them cares about TW but from their own perspectives and ideas instead of a common vision. The leadership role is to change this well entrenched culture.
I know you are doing what you think you can but you are going to have to figure out how to get these people to act like a team. Like I said, not a good start.
Eph

[Pressure]

Antiwarp completely ruins pub. Anytime I'm in terr and trying to encourage a fun basing match, if I am anti'd I will spec/quit/forget about pub. There is not a single redeemable aspect about antiwarp (I don't give a shit what the anti-LT pussies have to say about it tbh. I'm a baser and I still would prefer no anti with more LT's than more anti with less LT's). Anti was never used in pub until this new cash system was implemented because it was so rare to spawn it from a green. Take this stupid fucking ship setting away from pub forever, fuck anti

bump

[bkgmjo]

@Eph

We have quite some fresh meat in positions, motivation on old ones and the chance to actually get through with some changes now. I know this was said many times, but give it a chance. Turban is already doing a good job on his sysop position, although he just got it. zreq is doing nice work on bots and takes the head of pub position serious. LE tries hard to get everyone on the same page with bans and rules and overall transparency is supposed to get a major boost along with several fixes in bot, server and human resources. Just don't expect everything to happen in a day, most people try to have a life outside ss too and getting a compromise... often takes some time to beat everyone up verbally and then write down a common goal.

If you have any input to give like suggestions, complaints or simply open questions, feel free to post them or contact me directly. I will add everything that halfway makes sense to the discussions about the future of this game, so we can get a commonly supported decision on it.

[Ephemeral]

bkgmjo
Thank you. I hold no ill will towards anyone who tries. Simply understand that talk is cheap and something that has been done ad nauseam. Every time we talk but fail to follow though makes it harder for the next person; and we now have gone through this many, many times.
Basically fire everyone. This is not due to the being jerks or whatever; it is simply a new beginning. This is not about what anyone has or hasn’t done over the years; it is about who is willing to get onboard now, roll their sleeves up, and work towards today’s new common vision. Outline this vision for them from the ‘top down’ and build a new staff based upon this.
But trying to herd the existing staff of cats, many of whom represent yesterday’s dead wood, is not going to work. It has been tried times and it failed many times. At this point, what do we have to lose?
Eph