We need to draw a line

[arthur.world.21]

This guy was on a roll, flooding pub chat with trashtalk. Really bad trashtalk. Trashtalk that deserves to get him temp banned imo. However, actively encouraging people to commit suicide is where he crossed a line.

Pub is very inactive at certain times a day, I understand. https://www.provillus.org/ But the lack of moderators and enforcement of even a bare minimum of rules, not only hurts this game (most people don't like having linguistic buckets of shit poured over them), it also fails to provide a safe environment. What if a kid fires up this game and that Bukakke guy tells him to google it, when the kid asks him what his nick means? (Which I believe I've seen him do btw). Should that account even be allowed?

I'm not a fan overly censoring which tends to happen on commercial, mainstream platforms (be it gaming, media, whatever), but we need to draw a line somewhere, no? Pub is where most people start and hang out. I'd rather not have it turn into a shit hole filled with racism, hatred, holocaust denial, team killing and more of that 'good' stuff.

Ps. I set these images to expire in a month, 'cause I'm actually violating the image hosting service's terms by uploading them.

I'm think that this kind of attitude should be sanctioned immediately. After 3 strikes you are out of the community! Some people need their hate speech doze everyday filled up. Awfull people.

[Falconeer]

Online communities are essentially safe spaces for staff who want to be tyrants or they are safe spaces for 'trolls' and people with extreme views who feel accepted.

That being said I trolled for many years in subspace because of two problems that are persistent in online communities:
1. moderator abuse
2. a moral hierarchy
a) a binary way to view human beings as either good or bad
b) judging people as bad for text that was non-racist/sexist
c) judging people as bad simply for identifying as a troll.
d) an inability and lack of desire to turn "enemies" into friends, or by the same token harmful people into productive people.

All of this being said, as a leader of squads, guilds and other communities unrelated to subspace. I don't and have never used my position online to enact power over others (so moderator abuse/being a tyrant). I don't view these communities, even the one's I run as my personal clubhouse or safe space. And in fact even as a troll I never aligned with any one person or group, I would venture out against everything and everyone I disagreed with whether I liked them or not.

So there is a definite problem with being heavy handed against speech. I'm not saying that rules aren't good, but rather the mentality to ban and get rid of people like garbage is in itself flawed, morally wrong, and reprehensible. You don't inspire people to be friends, to be productive, or to change their attitude of you or the community by judging them or attacking them. So part of the problem with staff I guess is the lack of motivation/will and time to follow up with people and try and incorporate them into the community more. So to not just 'punish' people but to make them feel like you think they are a person, deserving of respect and time, and who you want to be apart of the game in a non-harmful way. Sounds mushy, it doesn't mean you can't be tough in fact you can be.. but it means having some integrity and at the end of the day making people feel like they don't want to attack the game, or other people, because we're all in it together.

It's *our* community, we've been a here a long time not because we hate it, i hope. sure there are lots of problems, and problem people, and people can be frustrating or outright just want to attack you. but end of the day, most of all those negative things stem from a feeling of being on the defensive/insecure and a feeling of helplessness. deep down i believe people are mostly good, when they do something "bad", they are still good, they just need some help usually.

this is why i strongly believe in letting people help with the game who want to help, even i would go so far as to say giving them access. just back up your files and it should be alright to trust people, trust goes a long way to mending things. especially if someone has never been staff before... policies on deciding who is staff shouldn't be based on fear or perceptions or even if you like the person or not... because again staff is supposed to be a team of people working together toward improving the game for the community, not some friend clubhouse. and besides how can you be friends with someone if you never have a dialogue with them? you just ensure the same cycle of hate continues ( i use the term friend loosely ). If someone was never staff they *always* deserve at least one chance, and beyond that i believe in second chances too.. (just not third chances).

[the_paul]

i wasn't directly involved but i do think it was damn hilarious and fitting that such a dark cloud followed you around after you decided to gather two more lowlifes and assault and rob a guy on christmas day just because you got shorted on weed

i thought maybe you would have grown at least one iota as a person in the ten years since

lol @ my naivete, you're still the same sewer rat who was so scared of a pot dealer that he brought two goons as backup

ps this new forum sucks

Man I forgot about this gem of a story. People don't forget.

[GET PSYCHO]

Thanks Rab to add my name in here, I truly appreciate!
Hope we meet up one day around a beer and laugh about it,
I sound mean and rude, maybe it's my way to escape reality, But I am truly a good guy ( Don't have to believe me )
I am sorry to have been rude. Truly, before this game dies (R.i.p. Subspace 2025). I will try my best to help new players, and be more polite, you guys have been great teammates and opponents and I respect you, If I threat you, its because you were a strong opponent (and probably better than me, Rab you better than me, I won't lie here). I don't like losing, so I had to be mean. From now, I will be nice and support you guys!
I love you guys and maybe the way to show love was hating !
Cheers!

[Soldier13]

Agreed. they are way too penal about this.

[Pinky<NARF>]

...too little, too late.

The player ephemeral was talking about was pinky<narf>...you dont realize that 99% of players agree theres about 5-10 TOTAL that need to be gone, and over 90% of players would have NO ISSUE LOSING FOR GOOD.

pinky<narf>, tower, manco, warcraft, Lrim, falconeer...there you go. start with them. i promise you 90% of the players could care less if they were gone for good. they would most likely feel that there is a drastic improvement.

but, "i reckon" you unfortunately don't really care either way what happens to this game when it comes down to it. i feel like you are partially to blame for this (especially if you are in charge of this area as it appears to be)..im sorry but thats just the way it feels for me because i see you say the same thing every time someone is essentially saying to start using some common sense and get rid of these people. you (and other staff) won't give it a try, and the game got worse and worse each year. it really is that simple...but you make it seem like this is such a complicated issue it's so frustrating...

idk why im writing this...good luck i guess..

Yeah. I just need to be gone.

I'm not allowed to speak my opinion or thoughts without being shouted down and attacked by Ephemeral or TranceTunes, but if I speak up for myself, I'm just being a troll. Right?

It couldn't be possible that Ephemeral was being a total ass towards me and then tried to claim argumentative immunity by saying he has cancer.

[Dierienow]

FreeSpirit has 1488 kills and 1488 deaths lol.



Just pull the plug on this epic fail of a game please.

[Grasps]

LOL lame tunes and emph are seriously comparing hobby forums to online competitive gaming.. what a bunch of geezers. If you guys are expecting online games to be like those forums you two frequent, no wonder you two have salt pouring out of your assgina's.

Sorry but no, hobby forums are NOT the same, they're not even remotely close to the same as SS. Are you guys having competitions on who can knit the best looking scarf the fastest or something? That would be closer I guess but still..

Get the fuck out of here with referencing shit that has zero relation just to skew a point to make. You guys killed this game by having Pub become competitive yet still being the first thing newcomers enter into which instantly runs people off because it's sensory overload and chalk full of spawning, green text and explosions. Blame yourselves for this games decline, for turning the face of this game into a shit show that only made you fucks happy to play. You guys didn't give a shit about new players or retaining them, if you did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Forums, especially hobby forums are frequented by folks who want to learn and improve upon their hobby, already right there that changes the demographic from something like this game or CSGO, Killing Floor 2, PUBG and other games that take on people from all races, nationalities, ethnic backgrounds and believes. You dumbfucks are comparing apples to automobiles. Get with the times, it's not 1997 anymore.

-Grasps

was that after u got jailed for stealing 50 bucks tho

are you "Eric Singh" or "Panda Singh?"

whichever one he is..this guy is messaging me on facebook thats the kind of people we are dealing with here...so pathetic..



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"TW and EG staff are both insanely lenient on hate speech, to the point that they're jeopardizing the game's survival" -SpaceHiker

[Crescent Seal]

was that after u got jailed for stealing 50 bucks tho

like eph said he moderates one of the largest forums in usa...i moderate a large video website called Snotr...none of the shit allowed in TW is allowed on that community either...they instantly get banned with no option of explaining themselves....

"TW and EG staff are both insanely lenient on hate speech, to the point that they're jeopardizing the game's survival" -SpaceHiker

[Voth]

Mob rule isn't right, makes you no better than the people you want banned. One day you'll ban a skilled hacker and lose the server. If proper moderating is too much work for you guys then make me head moderator, i will teach you how to moderate and I have hours free everyday, turn your troll god into your saviour.

allow zone-wide vote

[Falconeer]

Mob rule isn't right, makes you no better than the people you want banned. One day you'll ban a skilled hacker and lose the server. If proper moderating is too much work for you guys then make me head moderator, i will teach you how to moderate and I have hours free everyday, turn your troll god into your saviour.

[Voth]

or just ban Falco for over 9000 years and then you'll never have to ban him again

allow zone-wide vote

[Rab]

or just ban Falco for over 9000 years and then you'll never have to ban him again