Let's discuss changes that could be made to the base for after TWL

[Stabwound]

In the twlb arena watching the game between Mambo and Spastic, the discussion came up about ways to modify the base/flagroom to make the games more interesting. One of the more obvious changes would be to modify the flagroom entrance to make the games less dependent on cramming. The idea was to remove 2 of the blocks from the entrance, which would really open up the hole a lot and make it a lot harder to hold the flagroom at the entrance, while giving the other team a better chance of getting in. It would look something like this



Another idea that came up was to add more than one flagroom entrance, but that was quickly shot down as being a bad idea.

Or, on the other hand, instead of changing the map, we could modify the levi to make it a viable cram-breaking tool. Maybe it's bomb could be made weaker, somewhere around the strength of the ?go WarZone levbomb. Or maybe change it's bombs so they can't kill, but can only emp, at the most, zero energy. I'm not too sure if that is a possible setting in Continuum, though.

Anyone have any other ideas? Discuss!

[Verthanthi]

where there used to be a _|_ _|_ you made it a _| |_, I think it might be best as a _ _. HArd to follow, but I'm too lazy to actually mod the map and screenshot...

[za gophar]

well whatever happens, it should be tested a lot.

[PhaTz]

Don't you get it yet, no one cares about basing

[ÆNIMA]

I hope matthe perry (notice how I don't include caps in his name, and I misspelled it) has an untimely death underneath the wheels of an 18-wheeler, just to make you cry.


Anyway, I do believe that at the very least, 1 pub-setting levi should be allowed in the ?go base games as an affective cram-breaking ship. Thinking about all the ships, it would be an affective tool at breaking a cram, by shooting a bomb just outside of the shark's range..but still killing. A levi on the team would also give the team many disadvantages, because it would still require greening, and is slow, tks....yadda yadda yadda. And the opposing team could just simply send someone down to spawn it.

I would suggest though if the levi is allowed, that shipchanges be limited...so a captain doesn't change someone to a levi just to break a cram, then quickly change him to a better defending ship.

Another idea, the small pub cloaker. The cloaker would distract the cramming terr to a different part of the flag room, thus making the attachers travel farther to the cram, giving the attacking team more time to enter.

Why not give the current pub settings a try in ?go base...?go base has always been the best place to try out new strategies and ideas....although I don't think that changing the actual map is an ideal solution.

[Randedl]

4 spider max

use pub weasel settings

[Machine of God]

Heres my idea

Its just a rough design and probably could be made better, but I wouldnt mind seeing how that would work out for a basing match.

[Fit of Rage]

For a hosted event maybe, but MoG, that's just too much for ?go base or TWLB. But yeah, it would be interesting to try.

[Machine of God]

what makes it too much.

[Miku19]

Because it's too complicated, there won't be the same flag battles in such a crammed space. I once had a 3freq map done, I think I gotta send it to staff again

[za gophar]

what makes it too much is the fact that it is one big flagroom battle. taking out the getting into and pushed out of base part is like taking out the rising and falling action in a book and leaving on the climax.. it just doesnt work, which was proved in that arena that was meant to be one big flagroom battle. if one team is much better, they are gonna dominate no matter what, and its gonna be ugly.

anyway, i think it would be cool if 8v8 basing place a 1 ship limit on EVERY ship. this would increase the ammount of specialties vastly, making things much more interesting. i would sort of resent people who specialized in cloaking and levi tho.. oh well it would still be cool.

[Jonas]

The game isn't dependent on cram, but most of the people playing leagues right now started after the cram was invented, thus does not know how to play any other way. I sound stupid and arrogant now of course, but that's the way it is, just take a look at any ?go base game, and you will see that I'm correct.

Personally I think modifying the entrance to make it easier to enter, is a bad change. This would lead to most games being a 30 minute long flagroom fight. Which quite frankly, becomes really boring after 5-10 minutes. Both to play and to watch.

Limiting the amount of spiders is a good idea IMHO. But whatever you do, don't introduce the pub weasel to base.

[Jeansi]

There are many good ways to break a cram, I don't think any modifying of the map is neccessary. Finally a shark can be useful in other ways than protecting too. But maybe a ship that is like the jav but instead of dmg it gives a 5 s EMP to close enemies. This way there would be a L2 bomb which I miss.

Also I wuld like to see what would happen if the map would be changed like stab says. It looks very interesting but I think it is impossible to predict how it functions in action.

[TopGod]

Maybe give the jav EMP? I'm not sure if this is a good idea tho, it might stop people from cramming all together if theres a jav playing, or, it might stop people from playing jav.

Actually, the jav is a very efficient cram killer, all it takes is a bit of timing to bomb when the enemy sharks are down, and boom, there go most of the other teams spider. A lot of teams have thrown out the jav in favor of the extra spider, but... as someone during the Elu vs Diso game said, live by the jav, die by the jav.

[Jonas]

Originally posted by TopGod
live by the jav, die by the jav.

That doesn't make much sense to me, but you sound really hardcore-cool when you say it