The New TWSD (twsdx)

[kthx]

No, because sometimes you might actually just lagout before the end of the game and it would be gay for another reason. Just stick with the -X points per lagout, in base there is a time you have to wait till you can return, in twdd/twjd there is a +1 death for lagout, -50-100 points for a lagout in TWSD is fair.

[Kawrae]

No, because sometimes you might actually just lagout before the end of the game and it would be gay for another reason. Just stick with the -X points per lagout, in base there is a time you have to wait till you can return, in twdd/twjd there is a +1 death for lagout, -50-100 points for a lagout in TWSD is fair.

The problem is that if 3 players lagout with loss of -150 pts total. It's still easy to spec and win. But if it comes to more than 100 pts per speccing, unintented lagouts would be crucial.

-100 pts could be the best..

[kthx]

-100 is alot, but as long as we count it the same way we do in like twdd/twjd as in intentionally lagging out or being completely oblivious to your lag before a match and deciding to get played anyways is the only way you will get a +1 90% of the time. So basically if you lagout through a lag you can see in ?lag or by literally speccing you lose 100, but if its something you can't see such as weapons s2c then you just get specced. I think this would probably be best.

[Kawrae]

But less than 100 points doesn't hurt that much. Game can easily be like 150-530 and speccing at that point would still in the game in this case.

[PaulOakenfold]

Instead of fixing the bot and figuring out a ridiculous algorithm, be a sport to the community and try this: Don't be faggots.

Seriously, this stuff is easier to ban for being a dick than to fix a bot.

[Ricko]

twsd needs to be changed to a 3000/5000 points race instead of timed. Best solution.

[Exodius]

twsd needs to be changed to a 3000/5000 points race instead of timed. Best solution.

I agree with this. I mean didn't some base games back in the day go for point races, or something along those lines. Would make it alot easier then having to get as much points as possible in a little time limit.

[dads revenge]

Don't be faggots..

^this^

Points race could work quiet well. TWSD is going to be worked on again finishing touches and bug fixes like these. Will more then likely be the next thing to put TW Risk on the shelf again but oh well.

[Ricko]

a points race should hopefully stop all this tactical 'running' or atleast, make it less of a deciding factor than it currently is; we'd possibly see the flag holder taking a more offensive stand and getting his team to push out and go for more kills; himself included. It's the simplest solution to the problems in SD and much easier to do than change the map etc.

[Reaver]

Instead of fixing the bot and figuring out a ridiculous algorithm, be a sport to the community and try this: Don't be faggots.

Seriously, this stuff is easier to ban for being a dick than to fix a bot.

I gotta agree with Paulo on this one, one thing I've noticed from playing other zones is that they have many many more loopholes but they don't fix them, because they don't have to.

[Lock]

The way to fix it is obviously a points race. I've thought this from day one and wondered why this was not the first option. It just seems so obvious that people can exploit the speccing to win thing.

The map needs to be changed slightly to promote fighting. The 2 corners that are closed off need to be opened up. Why promote camping? It makes no sense to me. See who can team and plan out their kills better instead of hiding from the other team. This stuff seems way too trivial to me and I really don't understand why TWSD is like it is at the moment. Such easy and simple changes to make it a really great league.

[Kawrae]

I gotta agree with Paulo on this one, one thing I've noticed from playing other zones is that they have many many more loopholes but they don't fix them, because they don't have to.

Yeh we could just ban ignite! :fear:

[DankNuggets]

The way to fix it is obviously a points race. I've thought this from day one and wondered why this was not the first option. It just seems so obvious that people can exploit the speccing to win thing.

The map needs to be changed slightly to promote fighting. The 2 corners that are closed off need to be opened up. Why promote camping? It makes no sense to me. See who can team and plan out their kills better instead of hiding from the other team. This stuff seems way too trivial to me and I really don't understand why TWSD is like it is at the moment. Such easy and simple changes to make it a really great league.

I haven't played it in months but wasn't it supposed to be like a duel/basing hybrid? I mean that's why there's flag points and bricks i thought. Maybe that wasn't the best idea afterall? I think camping isn't nearly a big a problem as just running away from what I've read.

Maybe do something where if more than one member of the team is in spec/lags out for say 30 sec, then they forfeit the game? The other solutions seem pretty doable too.

[RiiStar]

wasn't it supposed to be like a duel/basing hybrid? I mean that's why there's flag points and bricks i thought.

Yes that is correct, it was the orginal idea of the whole thing.

The way to fix it is obviously a points race. I've thought this from day one and wondered why this was not the first option. It just seems so obvious that people can exploit the speccing to win thing.

The map needs to be changed slightly to promote fighting. The 2 corners that are closed off need to be opened up. Why promote camping? It makes no sense to me. See who can team and plan out their kills better instead of hiding from the other team. This stuff seems way too trivial to me and I really don't understand why TWSD is like it is at the moment. Such easy and simple changes to make it a really great league.

Basically because we tried to make it half dueling and half basing...
So from basing we took the time race incorporating a flag while points and bonuses came from fighting.

The way we're going it's heading back towards being solely dueling...
Which can either be a bad thing or a good thing.

Since we got it into TWD for "Public Testing" I've been busy with TWL and we've had most of our bot coders inundated with work,
so i need to find someone willing to change the bot again before bot changes can be made.

The 2 "closed corners" were like mini-bases with the idea
that you'd use basing tactics to defend and attack these areas with tools and skills on hand...

Im open to map changes and ideas, so download DCME and mod the map and
send it to maps@twdev.org for me to look at, or mock it up in paint.
Im fresh out of ideas and changes currently.

As i get more time and juggle RL work we'll take this feedback
and add some changes to SD. Have a little paitence and faith.

:fear:

[Kawrae]

Change it to point race depending how many players are in.