Points Race

[Adeon]

Yup.

Originally posted by Cig Smoke
If id ont show up for LD i dont see it as a huge loss, nor do i think pirates would, but i feel i am needed for LB.

This is your problem, Cig. I have a half dozen other SS leagues that I play on Sunday.. I won't be missed for LJ / LD.. I am needed for LB. Me, me, me. As said before, TW policy can't be dictated by the desires of one or two people (unless those people are Dock or Priitk ).

[bloodzombie]

everything fon said is right.

[geekbot]

You're such a sweet talker, Force of Nature.

[Force of Nature]

Enough of the nostagia value and reimplement the point race system. It effectively reduces the extra time which is wasted when a team cannot get back into the game. And this is a very good improvement.

For those of you who think there is nothing wrong with the old system. You are wrong. This is a problem: What is the point of fighting extra time when you cannot possibilty get back into the game. Its just a waste of time which could be used for better things.

The point is think of a race is that no time is wasted. The game finishes when it has too. There is no point in the race where the other team cannot get back into the game. If you must be pedantic, sure you can claim that at the last 1k it's not possible but generally for all argumentative purposes the race doesn't waste time.

After the point where it is known that a team cannot come back due to time constraits the other team starts to suicide and generally wastes time which could be used to start another game. Obviously I'm talking about the ?go base games here. Hence the race system is also benificial in this sitution where more games can be efficiently scheduled into limited time we have in a day. There has been many many times where you know you can't come back with a 100k deficit and isntead of killing the game and starting a new one. People still keep playing suiciding and what not. This time could be better used to allow other people in spec play in the game if it was a race system.

I've only mentioned one point here but there are more. I say bring back race.

[bloodzombie]

?go base was better as a points race, put it back.

[Cig Smoke]

Well ya its obviously a lil weaker being there isnt that extra spider shooting down, but u have to account for a lag rocketing jav now, or pesky wb bothering u from below, and the basic setup is still the same, the cram mite not kill as many as fast, but it is still held as strong if u got the 2 good sharks working together.

[Galleleo]

Uhm cig, it did weaken the cram a bit, atleast in the pretty much even squad skill wise games I played.

[bloodzombie]

Originally posted by Cig Smoke

And Adeon, LD/LJ are 1 round, they are usualy over within 15-20 minutes TOPs. They arent real problems, i can estimate how long they are gonna take. Basing is the league which takes the longest and that ppl are needed more for. If id ont show up for LD i dont see it as a huge loss, nor do i think pirates would, but i feel i am needed for LB. Those other 2 leagues Rarely go over 15 minutes, even the close matches dont go that long.

If you plan for 30 mins of actual game time, I'm sure you'll be safe.

[Sufficient]

I dunno if the funness factor has increased in basing since the 4 spid max rule was implemented. But, one thing I've noticed is that the games are pretty close ... at least seem very close scorewise in TWDB.

If the pt is about FR battles then the cram is more of a sidenote since any effective entrance strat decreases the # of FR battles. It's more about using methods / changing things, to make basing more spread around (some time played in all areas of the map) ... regardless of the strategy teams use. So yeah ... map changes are cool =D.

[Cig Smoke]

Exactly gall, we are trying to fix a problem which wasnt a problem in the 1st place. I think that there are bigger problems then a point race or not. Everyone wanted to weaken the cram, yet nothing is being done to do this, they made a 4 spider limit in TWD, that dont weaken the cram 1 bit.

And Adeon, LD/LJ are 1 round, they are usualy over within 15-20 minutes TOPs. They arent real problems, i can estimate how long they are gonna take. Basing is the league which takes the longest and that ppl are needed more for. If id ont show up for LD i dont see it as a huge loss, nor do i think pirates would, but i feel i am needed for LB. Those other 2 leagues Rarely go over 15 minutes, even the close matches dont go that long.

[Galleleo]

Now one thing, the thing we want in the basing world, is getting rid of the cram, making it weaker, so we get more flagroom fights, therefor more exciting, and where does the point race come into all of this? I didnt hear anyone complain about the lenght of the matches, nor the hiding, so why do we have this again?

[Adeon]

Originally posted by Cig Smoke
But urforgeting that ther are squads in LB, who also play both or 1 of the following LD/LJ. The whole point of scheduling in TWL is to try to be able to get ur best guys on all the time, teams schedule around other zone's leagues. U cant be disrupting that, bc a 5 minute delay could make the difference between making something and not. It takes long enuff w/ the 30 minute games, with delays, and getting lineups, and an "estimated 5 minutes" and blah blah. Till it gets started its usulay 15 past the hour. Then of course if its vs an ez squad it will be over faster, but if its an even match (we cant say who is an isnt even) it could take longer, i dont want to be guessing when i can and cant be on the computer. I like set times and scheduled things.

Seriously, I just don't get your point. Or more accurately, what the big deal is about 5 minutes. I mean, LD's and LJ's aren't on scheduled times, either. There can be 5, even 10 minute differences between games. I don't hear anyone crying about that, you included.

[Cpt.Guano!]

if we use a point race system in twl then we will make sure that there is enough time to start any scheduled games on time (barring delays that are completely out of our control).

[Cig Smoke]

But urforgeting that ther are squads in LB, who also play both or 1 of the following LD/LJ. The whole point of scheduling in TWL is to try to be able to get ur best guys on all the time, teams schedule around other zone's leagues. U cant be disrupting that, bc a 5 minute delay could make the difference between making something and not. It takes long enuff w/ the 30 minute games, with delays, and getting lineups, and an "estimated 5 minutes" and blah blah. Till it gets started its usulay 15 past the hour. Then of course if its vs an ez squad it will be over faster, but if its an even match (we cant say who is an isnt even) it could take longer, i dont want to be guessing when i can and cant be on the computer. I like set times and scheduled things.

[Adeon]

This whole thread is about basing (LB), not LD/LJ.