Lowering Lag Limit

[Bosshawk]

well like you stated lunch

you had 250ms our guys all under 200 and mostly under 100 hehe

you were spiking before the game we actually commented on it before the game hit the go go go! while we were waiting

sometimes lag does hurt the laggot more then the others that is true....

and if you are lagging, then you will definitely be affected by low lag people cuase where your firing they are no longer there hehe

[Cig Smoke]

It only hurts the lagger when the lag is SO high. And some ppl perfect a style to play w/ lag, if they do this like 2d did in jav a few years ago then yes they are unstopable mostly, but if u arent use to lag, and u start laggin then it will be hard to be succesfull.

And lunch, if EVERYOEN is jumping its probably ur lag not everyone laggin.

[Sufficient]

So the options I see for dealing with lag so far include:

1. Adjusting Cpt's bot to certain levels to spec laggers.
2. Increase the sit-out time when someone who is lagging, is specced.

Maybe a combination of the 2 should be used? Anyone know what the current sit-out time is in TWL? ... if I remember correctly it's 10 sec.

[bloodzombie]

I thought it was 15, but I could be wrong

[Bosshawk]

i thought it was 15 for twd or twl

increasing the length of time might be a valid option, but then again if its an ISP just acting funny and disconnecting.... your not punishing a lagger, especially when you have guys at 200+ms or even 300+ ms that dont lagout, so your not really hurting them

even when the servers were in Europe, as a canadian the highest i ever had was 180ms and usually about 130-150ms for an average

so if your constantly at 300+, theres something wrong...

[Cig Smoke]

ya make that shiz like 30 secs ora minute, that way it'd be like someone said a "powerplay", it'd make squads think twice b4 playing there lagass in a jav, or shark. I also think if doable, the thing where having certain lag limits for each ship. That was a great idea whoe ver came up w/ it. Sharks clearly seems more lag action then does spider and so on, and a jav's laglimits should be super low.

[Cig Smoke]

Boss, Some ISP's are worst then others, its not all the location. Sure ppl in finland now will naturaly lag more then USA ppl if on the same exact connection, but i know @ My mom's house not but 10 minutes from me now, i get no less then 300 ms ping and 2%+ ploss, and here on my cable i get 20 ms .1 .1 usualy.

When the server was in Finland, on cable i got 100-130 ms .1 .1, and on dialup i had over 500 almost 95% of the time, i rarely had less then 500. Now that is the only dialup service in my area, so if i had no cable that'd be the only thing i could get. Im just saying, bc ur closer to server doesnt always mean ur less laggy, ist the Internet service ur on. Ppl in europe now lag less then i do on my dialup. And im close to the server.

[Bosshawk]

true valid points

but when the majority of users are under 100 now with the servers here 500 ms really is not acceptable wouldnt you say?

i mean sure everyone has a right to play and all, but we are talking about leagues, not just playing for fun cause you enjoy the game

and if your 500ms and im 30-50ms ill be lucky to even see you never mind hit you and kill you

now is that fair or fun for either party?

probably not

[Server]

well i get stable 150ms with some .1 .1 ploss from finland. so it's not always the location, i agree i think finns have lower lag than west coast usa players ?

[bloodzombie]

west coast here with constant 90 .1 .1 or sometimes 80 .0 .0

[Pio]

Mambo

Earlier today we played Mambo, we had no chance. Not with their Lag Jav B.Faggot (Rabbit). I mean seriously I rep the guy 3 times when he is next to me, and yet he doesn't move at all. I'm beginning to wonder if Mambo is sponsered by America Online.

So lower the lag limits and ban Mambo players from playing. Thats it thanks.

[Cig Smoke]

Earlier today we played Mambo, we had no chance. Not with their Lag Jav B.Faggot (Rabbit). I mean seriously I rep the guy 3 times when he is next to me, and yet he doesn't move at all. I'm beginning to wonder if Mambo is sponsered by America Online.

So lower the lag limits and ban Mambo players from playing. Thats it thanks.

His lag wasnt all that "high" i mean sure he jumped alot, but thats gonna happen with any jav who is over 150 ping. I saw b.rabbit at lower then 200 ping most of the time i believe (unless that was someone else) but he didnt lagout once i dont think when i was watching neway. The lag is created alot by ur rep + his rocket.

[Jason]

Nah, that guy pretty much just lags badly. I was chasing him around in lower a number of times (he wasn't rocketing) and he'd keep skipping ahead an inch or so and then back to where I thought he was in the first place, making it almost impossible to aim at him. It's lag like that that I want to see completely disallowed in TWL. If you let people who are that laggy participate in a league match, you're totally undermining the integrity of the league.

[Cig Smoke]

Nah, that guy pretty much just lags badly. I was chasing him around in lower a number of times (he wasn't rocketing) and he'd keep skipping ahead an inch or so and then back to where I thought he was in the first place, making it almost impossible to aim at him. It's lag like that that I want to see completely disallowed in TWL. If you let people who are that laggy participate in a league match, you're totally undermining the integrity of the league.

I wasnt really watching the WHOLE match, so he could of been doin that im not totaly sure or care really, but i believe the point of having lower lag limits in jav/shark in TWLB. I think this would really do a good number on that stuff. I imagine B.Rabbit wouldnt of made that much of a difference if he was in spider and lagg'd like that, bc its alot harder to aim a laggy spider bullet @ someone then it is a jav bomb at a group of ppl. Take the laggy ppl outa the ships that realy make a difference, force them to play spider. If they are over the limit of course. But lowering jav/shark limits would help alot. Maybe even making the terr limits a lil lower then normal, so we dont have 2d jumpin around in terr. Make the lagmonkeys play spider.

[Pio]

Sounds like a good idea. 100 MS or less you can play terr/jav/shark

Also, everyone from Scandinavia can play 0 ships, because they lag so bad it's not even funny.