TWL Season 7 Rules (Updated 4/24/04)

[MetalKid]

Well, it doesn't really matter at this point. We will find out if he is abusing his powers when the LagBots are there for TWL and his overall ping is over what.. 300 or 350? if it is only 300, I bet 50% of the people won't ever be able to play. The way its sounding, if they use this lagbot, 2d won't even get in to play, so no one will have to worry about it anyway.

[Randedl]

i'm tired so my quick ideas. . .

i don't think the rule allows for subbing a player who is doing poorly? personally, as a squad leader, i want to be able to sub in players when i want to (not including instances of cheating). i like the freedom to give more players experience in games, and also to not have to worry about having my top 5 start every game.

to stick on the subbing topic, i think the power should be in the squad captain's hands. there is ample chance for an error or bad timing and i think that we should do everything possible to make the referee unaccountable for such issues.

ie. i have a player on my squad with the name randedi. when i do !add rand he goes in. if the host does the same thing when, instead, i am supposed to go in, there will be a problem. further, i don't like the time delay that it would take to pm a host and for the host to do the sub.

next. . . i don't see the point to the greens in ld/lj? if full charges are gone why not just make it so the greens disappear right away after somebody is killed. further, to clarify, are energy depletes also gone?

next, i would like to see the ship minimums go to 4 in ld/lj, and 7 in base. i think there is still a chance for a victory in both cases and i don't think anybody from either team would be against playing a game. if a squad only starts with 4 or 7 however, don't allow them to add a 5th/8th.

next, stop with the time race. i don't want to take time out of my summer weekends to play 15 minute games. the maximum amount of playing time in twlb is 29 minutes 59 seconds. this is LESS than last season. nobody wants to play less??

next, what was the point of all those twl polls if none of the winning options were even considered outside of ?go base. personally i feel that there was no consideration taken into effect, especially considering that this time race was implemented and not an option to be voted on?

i really think that you guys are overstructuring some of the fine points of twl, and that what people really want is to play the game and have fun. to conclude: cease with the rules that a. make games shorter, and b. make it so that games can't be played at all.

if i have a squad match 1 week before the playoffs and that squad doesn't show, i want to still have a game. maybe make it so that the squad that doesn't show can use subs but forfeits automatically? my squad could use the practice, and why would one penalize the players who actually show for the other squad. just my opinion there. . .

[Epinephrine]

You people (mostly Mattey) don't seem to understand some basic facts:

1) You can ONLY see energy while playing in the game if you have the energy view password.

2D can't see people's energy, nor can I (I'm a smod) nor can any mods, nor can any ERs or ZHs.

2) You can still lag out as staff if you lag. And no there aren't any DIFFERENT limits. I lag out if my lag is high, so do other smods. In fact just yesterday 2d lagged out a few times in a Syndicate game because he was lagged.

As demonfaze said, just because 2d lagged in the past and didn't lag out, doesn't mean he's cheating or abusing. There are MANY people all the time who lag and don't lag out. Denyaldenyo is a perfect example. The other day I was watching Paladen play Shriek in TWDD, and the last alive Paladen player (who won the game) named Don Newbie had an average lag of 450 and high lag of around 800. He did not lag out. Was he staff? No. Cheating? Probably not. In fact if you are staff and do have the powers to *lag people and see their lag, you'll very often see people with high ping or are spiky who don't lag out.

3) Staff powers are kept because Trench Wars wants their staff to stay on staff chat at all times. Staff chat is locked out so that non-staff cannot be on it. This is a safety precaution so the chat doesn't need to be changed everytime you axe a staff member who feels like being a jerk.

Why not have people just change and change back? C'mon be realistic.. people are inherently lazy, and won't change. Especially if they don't have any specific duties to perform and just use another name for league they won't change back until they really feel like it. This means that staff is 1/2 empty on weekends when we need staff the most to host events, host TWL games, find cheaters and help with help messages.

4) TWL does not spec people for 'lagging' too much. The arena settings will deal with it.

Here's the rule that deals with it:

8.12 If a participating player is, in the view of the ref, excessively jittery, blinking in and out, or otherwise showing signs of lagging that might be the result of an attempt to cheat the person will be immediately reported to the upper staff. Further action may be taken in game by upper staff. Suspicion of cheating will be followed up and the consequences will be harsh.


So you see, if someone is lagging too much it is reported and dealt with later. So there is no problem with upper staff members not being able to be specced by lower staff members.


5) If staff use powers during the game it is LOGGED BY THE SERVER, and PUSHER will axe them from staff or punish them or something, and that squad will forfeit their game as in the rules. Simple enough?

So basically why not allow staff to use their names?

-Epi

[Zerzera]

Still I think staff shouldn't play under staffnick.

1. you can talk trough blueout

2. you can accidently hit a macro and really fuck up stuff

3. it will silence the people that believe in conspiracy theories

I know THE PUSHER once explained why people have to stay on their staffnick at all times, because people normally stay on their non-staff nick when they played a game.

[THE PUSHER]

All of those points are solid and true. Yet there is one more thing that forgot to be mentioned. I trust my staffers to do the right thing, and last season we had that. There was not one single instance of abuse of any staff powers with the exception of a few minor blue-out violations. Granted, it's a minor inconvenience to have to see help and cheater calls, but I do allow staffer to leave staff chat during their games.

You see, we have an obligation to this zone to make sure that our every day operations continue to run smoothly, and we are doing our best to cater to the needs of our community. With an average of 700 people on the weekends, we have to be available to answer the needs of our players.

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For those of you with concerns over the substitutions, line-up minimums, and captains controlled subbing, I will be posting some rule edits shortly. Please be patient as I want to make sure we are being 100% fair with these edits before I post them.

Thanks!

-PUSH

[Reaver]

I didnt read all that bc it would of took me hrs so i'll just ask, is there ship changes allowed in TWLB this season? I think that would prevent alot of squads from goin away from the 5 spider lineup. And in that case is there a 4 spider limit for twlb?

Im also with these other hoes, definatly should 1) let the caps make the subs/changes/switches, 2) let them have atleast 1 sub not bc of lagouts, probably 2 is the best. If they use both subs on suck ppl and then someone lags out thats there fault.

This is how it works, as I understand it. Lets say you have player A in ship 3, and player B in ship 1, you have the possibility to switch player B to ship 3 and player A to ship 1, but you cannot just change one person to a different ship. You have 3 of these changes per twlb match. Hope this answers your question.

And my stand on the rules given, and yes I read all of them, is that I agree with you guys in that the substitution rules should allow the team to sub the player if he/she is not performing well, and that also, captains should be allowed to do the subb'ing. Just my opinions though

Oh and mattey, Im not sure if Im supposed to be saying this or not...but it has been decided, as far as I know, that the lag limits will not be told to the public, nor most staff. I think only Dock>, The Pusher and Pure_Luck know them, but thats just my thinking.

[Mattey]

All of those points are solid and true. Yet there is one more thing that forgot to be mentioned. I trust my staffers to do the right thing, and last season we had that. There was not one single instance of abuse of any staff powers with the exception of a few minor blue-out violations. Granted, it's a minor inconvenience to have to see help and cheater calls, but I do allow staffer to leave staff chat during their games.

BULLSHITBULLSHITBULLSHIT

2Dragons refused to spec when the host asked him to in the TWLD game against Value. He told everyone on staff chat to "stfu" and I ended up getting warned by one of his squadmates for abusing help. Afterwards he justified his staying in by saying that he wasn't doing that well, I think he was asked to spec at 1-1 and finally subbed himself at 1-5. He was jumping all over the place and warping, and refused to leave the game. I think I quickly quit staff afterwards because a clear case of abuse took place. If staffers remain on staff names during league games abuse is going to happen again. I really don't understand the need for staffers to remain on staff names.

I don't trust anyone on staff anymore than I trust anyone else in Trench Wars (save Pallies, you guys are my boys).

[Verthanthi]

I thought the twlb elu vs. (I think it was diso? Camisade? Someone) that prompted you to quit, mattey.

[Epinephrine]

BULLSHITBULLSHITBULLSHIT

2Dragons refused to spec when the host asked him to in the TWLD game against Value. He told everyone on staff chat to "stfu" and I ended up getting warned by one of his squadmates for abusing help. Afterwards he justified his staying in by saying that he wasn't doing that well, I think he was asked to spec at 1-1 and finally subbed himself at 1-5. He was jumping all over the place and warping, and refused to leave the game. I think I quickly quit staff afterwards because a clear case of abuse took place. If staffers remain on staff names during league games abuse is going to happen again. I really don't understand the need for staffers to remain on staff names.

I don't trust anyone on staff anymore than I trust anyone else in Trench Wars (save Pallies, you guys are my boys).

Why does he have to spec? Staff powers didn't let him stay in the game. He is under absolutely no obligation to spec himself anymore than anyone else.

-Epi

[Mattey]

Well, he was asked by the host to spec, and the host tried to *spec him but couldn't. But that's all in the past.

If staffers will be able to be *specced and really can't see energy than staying on names doesn't make a difference.

[THE PUSHER]

Rules Revisions and Updates

After taking into consideration several of the points made by you folks here, and from several Staff members, we are ammending a couple of the rules. The rules have been edited, and I will provide a summary below with links to the specific rules. Thanks for your patience!

-PUSH

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8.05: Changed to reflect a reduction in the additional time allotted for eligible squad members to arrive, to 2-minutes.


9.01: Eased the restrictions on minimum available lineup to commence a game without forfeit in TWLD and TWLJ games.

9.02: Changed to reflect a reduction in the additional time allotted for eligible squad members to arrive, to 2-minutes.

9.03: Ammended to clarify TWL policy on player additions after the game has started.

9.05: Rule ammended to allow registered squad captains and assistant captains to handle player substitutions themselves at any time of their choosing. Added the command used for substituting a player.


10.01: Eased the restrictions on minimum available lineup to commence a game without forfeit in TWLB games.

10.02: Changed to reflect a reduction in the additional time allotted for eligible squad members to arrive, to 2-minutes.

10.03: Ammended to clarify TWL policy on player additions after the game has started.

10.05: Rule ammended to allow registered squad captains and assistant captains to handle player substitutions themselves at any time of their choosing. Added the command used for substituting a player.

[Send]

first post after the zoner

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[Nickname]

I thought the twlb elu vs. (I think it was diso? Camisade? Someone) that prompted you to quit, mattey.

It was Elusive vs Disoblige, i dunno what Mattey is thinking.


he was in terr and refused to spec, he had 5000 ms, ara threatened to ban anybody who reported him. He then changed to spider finally, demonfaze went into terr, and 2d's lag dropped straight to 250-300 the instant it happened.

[Dunce]

What about if someone lags out 5 times (TWL-B) and no one is there to sub and say, 5 minutes later someone comes online, will that person still be allowed to be subbed out or will their "score counted as is" ?

[THE PUSHER]

As Rule 10.05 states:

10.05 Each squad will be allowed to have three (3) substitutes for each game. Substitutes must be registered and eligible members of that Squad. Squad Captains and assistant captains may use their available substitutes at any time during the match. The substitute will be placed in the game with a score of 0 points and in the same ship as the person they are replacing. The removed player will be placed on his/her Squads frequency with their score intact and valid for final calculation. Players who are substituted are strongly encouraged to stay in the arena until the end of the game or else their score may not be reported accurately. No substitute may replace a player who was removed for violating allotments or other league rules. Registered Squad Captains and assistant captains can substitute players by private messaging the attending TWBot with !sub <player out>:<player in>. (see rule 8.10b)