Tanked

[genes]

Tanked was accused of trying to set up a twbd for a twjd. We didnt actually do this. Why do we get penalized for it, even though it did not occur? Maybe if we ACTUALLY DID get a higher twbd team to feed us and vice versa, then we should have gotten kicked out. Rather, if at all nothing physical happened with it, we get penalized. Can i get some feedback please?

p.s. - I dont want to here bull shit about so and so being better than so and so. Keep it on the topic of "not actually doing stuff, but getting penalized for it" plz. - genes

[wadi]

You can already see several posts on this topic in the "welcome to twl season 7 thread". Just like bans, complaints about twleagues need to be brought up with the appropriate staff, not here on the forums (although pusher does give the reasoning in the previously mentioned thread). please email trenchwarsleagues@yahoo.com

Edit: I've been told to let this go so you can debate it here. I don't see why you want to bring it up here since all it can accomplish is a lot of wild speculation and bad blood over a decision that's already been brought up, and could quickly be resolved by talking to an Op. Not my call though.

Unlocked.

[THE PUSHER]

I'm sorry I wasn't around to catch these threads. I'd like to stay on top of things like this, but I can't live here, ya know? Fact is I haven't had a chance to speak directly to Rosstones or Nitti just yet, and I was waiting to do just that. Correction, I've actually spoken to Ross just a little, but we didn't really exchange specifics. As much as I'd like to wait to speak with Ross and Nitti directly, I can just as easily speak to them later and discuss our decision here.

First I'd like to mention that I will not be divulging any of names of the squads who provided us with this information. It has always been our policy when such allegations and issues are brought to our attention that we maintain a strict rule of confidentiality, especially when those instances have merit.

Yesterday during the final hours of TWL qualification, we started receiving reports from a total of 3 different squads informing us of these instances. The reports were from squads who were ranked high enough in TWBD to make TWLB, but were on either side of the border for making TWLJ qualification. These squads were petitioned by a Tanked squad captain, to 'swap wins' in matches. These 'swaps' were intended to boost Tanked's TWBD rating, and the TWJD rating of the squadrons who would agree to his plan.

The three TWBD games versus Interface did not help matters either. I happened to logon just before the start of that third game, and was invited in to check it out by another staff member. When I got there, Interface didnt even have 3 people in the arena, considering they were also involved in a TWJD match with Spastic. I checked the remaining time to submit a lineup and it was around 3 1/2 minutes remaining. I'm pretty sure someone noticed I was there because two Interface players just popped up out of nowhere and were put in the game. Funny thing is, as soon as the basing match started one of those players left immediately to hop back into the TWJD match he was also playing in.

In our view these were unacceptable acts, and the openess with which they were committed was impossible to ignore. I'd like to think that squads who truly want to enter TWL would do so with at least a hint of fairness in mind. Exchanging wins to bolster one's chances is not what TWL is all about. In the end, we felt this was the best course of action to take with Tanked. They are in no way being disqualified from TWL participation for this matter, nor will the offending squad captain be barred from TWL for attemtping to 'swap wins'. Tanked will be allowed to enter TWL-B as a replacement squad, as long as they meet the requirement of being ranked #1 in TWBD when a participating squad drops out of TWL-B competition.

I feel there are two more issues that I should address before I finish. That of feeding wins in TWD and any sanctions that may be imposed upon Interface for their involvement in this matter. As far as feeding wins goes, I will be the first to admit we need a more stringent policy on this matter. I'm sure there are squads who are guilty of this act, maybe some more than others. Subtlety does not excuse them, it only makes them harder for us to notice on the whole. This will be something that we in TWL will try to work on with the TWD-Ops, so we can find a better solution to curbing this problem in the future. On the matter of Interface, I can only say that we will continue our discussions with the TWD-Ops regarding this matter and will make our decisions based on the current TWD Rules and Guidelines.

I hope this helps to clear up any confusions any of you had over the why's of this incident.

-PUSH

[bloodzombie]

Was the issue of feeding addressed in the original rules?

if not, I don't see how you can kick them out.

[THE PUSHER]

No bz, which is part of the issue. TWD does not specify a regulation on feeding wins to another squad. Our standard has been if a TW Moderator, S-Moderator, TWL-Op, or TWD-Op only, found a game in progress to be created with the intent to feed a win to another squad, we simply cancel that game and notify a TWD-Op if they haven't been already.

Perhaps I didn't make it clear, but this was not a matter of Tanked breaking a non-existant rule. It was a matter of what that Tanked captain was trying to accomplish by inviting squads to participate in what amounts to throwing wins to gain an advantage. Granted, this is something that I'm am positive other squads have done in the past. Just not in such a bold and poorly thought out manner. The offending squad captain got caught, because he was entirely too desperate to ensure a spot in TWL-B. Ironically Tanked would have made it into TWL-B even if they hadnt have played those three matches against Interface. Much like what happened with Bohemians last season, a squad captain made a bad decision, and it ended up costing his squad a chance to enter TWL fairly.

-PUSH

[Due]

Was the issue of feeding addressed in the original rules?

if not, I don't see how you can kick them out.

u can't even feed in elim (u can but it is agianst the rules) so why would u lets a squad feed into twl?

[THE PUSHER]

u can't even feed in elim (u can but it is agianst the rules) so why would u lets a squad feed into twl?

The fellas has a point, I myself had not looked at it from that aspect. Regardless, the same should apply, since the rule against feeding wins in elim arenas has been a long standing one in TW.

[bloodzombie]

It's no skin off my balls one way or the other, but I don't think you can just assume that the rules for elim carry over to twd/twl unless you referenced the elim rules for some reason.

you made up a big list of rules for twd/twl and you missed an aspect of it. I say let it ride and fix it for next time. You made the system, they used the system as you made it and qualified.

[Mulkero]

Why even give points from forfeits? I don't see the point. It only makes feeding easier.

This has been discussed. As someone said, maybe give 1 point for the trouble.

[Hero*]

I agree with BZ, those are my $.02 worth statement.

[genes]

THE PUSHER - You did not state anywhere in your rules that feeding is illegal. ALSO - WE DID NOT FEED. If we tried to set up a twbd for a twjd feed, it was not solely our squad, it was the other squads too. ANd HOW CAN WE GET PUNISHED FOR SUMTHING WE DIDNT EVEN DO? For all we know, we can say whatever we want in order to get into twl, but unless we actually feed/get fed, we are not guilty of any crimes and therefore, should be allowed into twlb.

The 3 matches against interface were the following: 1.) we crushed them ez win
2.) One of their assistants accpeted this duel, not knowing they were in a twjd at the time. You can cancel this match or void it, or even keep it. BasingCrew has many victories over squads that dont have enuf.
3.) The last match, they had enough people in spec in twjd to play a twlb. They did, in fact, start off with 5, and played for more than 50% with 5. The terrier at that times, sk8, left to set the lineup for round 3 of their crucial twjd vs spastic, and that, THE PUSHER, is when u entered and things looked fishy. I agree they looked that way, but he indeed did shortly return and they put up a good fight to finish the game

None of the things we did should have goten us not invited to twlb, because - WE DD NOT FEED/GET FED BY ANYONE - AND TO TOP IT OFF, EVEN IF WE DID THEIR IS NO RULE AGAINST IT!!! How can you punsih us for "attempting to discuss to break a rule that doesnt even exist" Rules are rules and we followed them, some people on other squads may have not liked us for whatever reason, and they complained that we were cheating,as again, we were not.

[TajaUk]

Anyone feeding another squad is lame, i know the rush before twl qualification meant alot was happening. If its not against the rules they still should be kicked if any squad was caught doing it.

We played mysticalz or whatever they called the last match before qualification, if they beat us they knocked melee out, cant tell tou how many people pm'ing me to lose the game and knock them out..lol..

[genes]

I would go as far as to request that this matter be looked over again PUSHER. For next season, you can make a rule against it, but for this season, Tanked was treated unfairly. Tanked has 50% basers or people that do in fact know how to base. I strongly advise that this be dealt with ina different manner then you may have dealt with it yesterday, when you could not see the whole, clear picture. Tanked should have been in twlb due to the reasons i have discussed in the previous post. - genes

[genes]

Anyone feeding another squad is lame, i know the rush before twl qualification meant alot was happening. If its not against the rules they still should be kicked if any squad was caught doing it.

We played mysticalz or whatever they called the last match before qualification, if they beat us they knocked melee out, cant tell tou how many people pm'ing me to lose the game and knock them out..lol..

We did not get fed, nor were fed in our matches. Claiming to feed a twjd or twbd, and not actually doing it is a completely, not to be rude, but ludacris idea. Do not kick us out because "we attempted to feed", because we did not.

[Due]

there is no need 4 a rule about feeding coz everyone (or close to everyone) knows it is illegal in TW.