Tanked

[Awesome]

sk8 and basingcrew cheated their way in as well if u ask me, by refusing to play any1 half good. but only tanked is punished.

people did that in every league. it isn't cheating though, they used the system. the TWDD ladder had atleast 3 squads like this who ended in the finals and a lot more squads who tried to do it but failed.

[Cylor]

Cool site, Awe.

[Reaver]

Trench Wars Leagues rules may be revised at any time by the League Operators, but notice will be given on the official TWL site (www.twleagues.org) beforehand. As well, TWL is a privilege, not a right, and the League Operators can revoke this privilege for any player with sufficient cause.

First of all, I just want to say, that I agree with what mattey is saying, and that I dont want to get personal with anyone, so lets save the insults guys. Second of all, Im not saying what was done was right or that it was wrong, just looking at a rules perspective, lets just assume that tanked did intentionally feed, swap or whatever you want to call it, and they were cought. As far as the rules state, they ARE subject to change, and in all reality it comes down to the TWL operators interpretations of the rules, those stated and not. Like others said, I think it would be common sense that feeding IS illegal, if it wasnt known, it is now. Keep in mind TWL is our professional league.

[Awesome]

thanks cy

[Sarien]

If you're going to draw a line somewhere, you need to do it before it's crossed, so everyone knows it and so they won't cross it. I think this decision is totally unfair and should be reversed but obviously the TWL-ops can do as whatever they want as epi said.

The illogicalityness of that needs a brand new word to describe it, so I just made one up. Yes.. in ideal circumstances you do draw the lines, and then you go work with that framework. However, since you are dealing with a damn pile of other human minds, you cannot possibly expect the guys that Op TWL/TWD in their spare time for fun to see and predict every situation, some situations are new and so blatant so as to be forced to be dealt with immediately and in front of everyone. An example.. so to speak. If they -didn't- come down on this hard, then that would be sending a very bad message.. that TWL ops are not objective and dispassionate about who makes it into the league. Tanked did stupid shit.. that cannot be denied... now they can serve as an example to other people thinking about doing stupid shit.. until an addition can be printed down so as to spell it out in black and white.

Pusher said it best... If they hadn't tried to feed, they would have made it in by their own virtues, but they burned themselves, and now, they have to suffer the consequences of being greedy. Too bad for you. You'll make a nice example for next time, when someone else gets this hairbrained idea.

[PaulOakenfold]

TW has no written constitution, it says no where that "There must be a rule written, and it must go through congress"... yah fuck that, this is not your Country's formal government... this is a damn game, run by a group of dedicated people who do what they feel, and they feel what's right. This is not a democracy (as said before), sure go ahead and whine, but if you think it's gonna get you anywhere and it SHOULD get you anywhere, you must think again.

There was no rule written for this, so what? Does that mean it's still not bad? And don't give me that shit about how you didn't do it, that's not the point I'm trying to make. What I'm trying to say is... if you're up to something shitty, don't expect to be protected by any "laws" or "rights" that don't exist.... because guess what? You'll probably be caught and punished.

I hope THE PUSHER doesn't make an exception, not because I hate Tanked (which I don't), but because he did what he thought was right, and that's a LOT to ask for from someone that's not paid and spends as much time trying to make this as good an experience as it is.

[genes]

The Bottom Line

Tanked did not feed/get fed. There is no legit evidence to conclude that we fed/got fed. I really dont know know where you people think we gto fed, but we did not. BUT - PUSHER Kicked us out of twlb because we "tried to feed/get fed". How can we get kicked out of a league for "attempting to break a rule that doesnt even exist!!!" PUSHER says we tried to feed and get fed, but that isnt BREAKING ANY RULES. There is nothing more to argue here except Tanked got fucked over. It would have been one thing if we fed/or got fed, but we didnt - SO IN CONCLUSION:

1.) Tanked never fed/got fed. One can only "assume" that we did because we beat ez squads, which is perfectly legal

2.) Tanked was kicked out of TWLB for "trying to feed/get fed". How can we get kicked out of twlb if we didnt even feed?? For all the Ops know, we could have just been chatting with other squads or joking around. None of these alleged "feed us and we will feed you" actually happend or even came close to occuring. Just non-sense talk if u will.

3.) Tanked was fucked over. We deserve a spot in twlb, just the ops saw we were playing shit squads for points. It just so happened that we were playing these shit squads on the day of twl qualifications. This put an EMPHASIS on the "ez wins" and these "ez wins" got turned into "feeding" by squads who wanted our spot in twlb and the ops that didnt know any better at the time.

[Cops]

Just because three squads said we were feeding doesn't make it true, hell the squads might have hated us. The best thing would be is to let 16 squads in because in the end not letting us in twlb is tearing apart a squad and really giving us no way to make playoffs, I know a squad will drop out but what does it matter when we're picking up there shitty record and can do nothing with it. I think feeding teams should be a rule but I also believe that's there's not enough evidence to not let us in. i don't want melee's spot because frankly they earned it, it's theres but we also earned a spot in twlb atleast in my mind. Please let this one slide let 16 teams into twlb and make it a rule next season, lets make a bad situation better.

[Burnt]

Giving free wins isn't considering altering gameplay? -epi

The way I interpret altering gameplay is giving yourself unlimited shields or something of that nature

TW has no written constitution, it says no where that "There must be a rule written, and it must go through congress"... yah fuck that, this is not your Country's formal government... this is a damn game, run by a group of dedicated people who do what they feel, and they feel what's right. This is not a democracy (as said before), sure go ahead and whine, but if you think it's gonna get you anywhere and it SHOULD get you anywhere, you must think again.

There was no rule written for this, so what? Does that mean it's still not bad? And don't give me that shit about how you didn't do it, that's not the point I'm trying to make. What I'm trying to say is... if you're up to something shitty, don't expect to be protected by any "laws" or "rights" that don't exist.... because guess what? You'll probably be caught and punished.

I hope THE PUSHER doesn't make an exception, not because I hate Tanked (which I don't), but because he did what he thought was right, and that's a LOT to ask for from someone that's not paid and spends as much time trying to make this as good an experience as it is.

Again, no one is questioning the authority of THE Pusher, or whether or not he did what he thought was right. THE Pusher seems to be of high moral charactor to me (even though the TWLD conferences are conveniently rigged in Pallies favor , but that's a topic for another thread) I just don't think he IS right in this situation and here's why:

The TWD system is set up so teams that really have no chance of getting into TWL or just don't want to play in TWL have no real reason to try to get a high rating, these squads can play any squad, no matter how bad they'll lose, with no consequences. This is why all the squads who are trying to get in (including mine to get into TWLB) play these squads to get points which a basicly free ones since in our minds there is really no chance of us losing to them. And this is the problem with TWD: You can get into TWL by beating squads which aren't nearly of TWL caliber and/or don't even have any desire to be involved in TWL.

So is there really that big a difference from getting free points by beating easy squads or getting them how Tanked attempted to do? And don't squads say to each other "play me in this league now and I'll play you in another league later" all the time? And just because two squads agree to this situation doesn't mean that one squad won't break the deal. And if a squad accepted Tanked's deal to trade a BD win for a JD win, there would be no gaurentee that that squad would hold up their end of the deal. Frankly I'm surprised that a squad didn't accept their offer, and then proceed to play them for real in a BD to try and screw them over. But instead they went and complained to the TWL-ops, which was real cool.

And another thing, what's so wrong about asking a team to give you a free win? If someone does that in TWL, are they and there squad going to get kicked out of league? Wouldn't the other squad just laugh in their face and just try even harder to beat them in the game?

And one more thing, if what tanked did/attempted to do was so bad that they're not being allowed into TWLB, then why are they still being allowed in TWLJ? I don't get it.

[Sarien]

Tanked did not feed/get fed. There is no legit evidence to conclude that we fed/got fed. I really dont know know where you people think we gto fed, but we did not.

I happened to logon just before the start of that third game, and was invited in to check it out by another staff member. When I got there, Interface didnt even have 3 people in the arena, considering they were also involved in a TWJD match with Spastic. I checked the remaining time to submit a lineup and it was around 3 1/2 minutes remaining. I'm pretty sure someone noticed I was there because two Interface players just popped up out of nowhere and were put in the game. Funny thing is, as soon as the basing match started one of those players left immediately to hop back into the TWJD match he was also playing in.

I like Ross Cops and Kolar, the guys I've seen post stuff here on the forums, I got nothing against them, and unless they were involved in this, I think the situation sucks for them. However.. guys .. one of your caps got your squad screwed. People can screech about the legit evidence, and no rules, but the fact is, read that quote by Push, he saw the shit with his own eyes. In my perspective, I don't think continuing to say that you weren't fed or feeding is a good idea, because all you're really doing is saying either The Pusher is lying, or that he doesn't know what he's talking about. To the good guys on Tanked: Take your lumps and realize it wasn't you that screwed your squad, and do what you can to ensure it never happens again. To the guys that fucked over the rest of Tanked: This whole mess is your fault.
I don't want to sound mean, but you need to be glad you weren't banned outright for this, and you still have a possibility of getting in at all. You might be made into an example, but it could have been a much harsher example. They have the ability and the right to say who can come into TWL and who can't, so you're going to have to bring the hammer down on the people that don't care about spirit of the event, and fucked you guys over. If for no other reason, to make sure none of the assholes responsible will cause you more trouble after you replace a squad this season.

[Sufficient]

Supposedly there are logs. There's your evidence.

[genes]

I like Ross Cops and Kolar, the guys I've seen post stuff here on the forums, I got nothing against them, and unless they were involved in this, I think the situation sucks for them. However.. guys .. one of your caps got your squad screwed. People can screech about the legit evidence, and no rules, but the fact is, read that quote by Push, he saw the shit with his own eyes. In my perspective, I don't think continuing to say that you weren't fed or feeding is a good idea, because all you're really doing is saying either The Pusher is lying, or that he doesn't know what he's talking about. To the good guys on Tanked: Take your lumps and realize it wasn't you that screwed your squad, and do what you can to ensure it never happens again. To the guys that fucked over the rest of Tanked: This whole mess is your fault.
I don't want to sound mean, but you need to be glad you weren't banned outright for this, and you still have a possibility of getting in at all. You might be made into an example, but it could have been a much harsher example. They have the ability and the right to say who can come into TWL and who can't, so you're going to have to bring the hammer down on the people that don't care about spirit of the event, and fucked you guys over. If for no other reason, to make sure none of the assholes responsible will cause you more trouble after you replace a squad this season.

What did we do wrong?

[genes]

Supposedly there are logs. There's your evidence.

Logs of what??? Logs that have us "attempeting to break a rule that doesnt even exist"? Youve got to be kidding me. Dont kick us out of twlb because we attempted to talk about feeding or getting fed. We didnt even do it so it shouldnt matter.

[Gemfire]

genes if the whole tanked kicked out of twlb for playing ez squads - look at BasingCrew. they didnt play any really high rate squads either...and theyve not been kicked(not flaming BC)...so that thought holds no water at all

[Stabwound]