Week 6 + editorial

[Kings]

-Pirates for possibly dissolving Avalonian

FU newbie! WE ARENT DEAD

[Jerome Scuggs]

\Now with that style your 4 pushing spiders are going to die a whole lot easier then with 5 pushing because you got all the enemies offensive ships directing their hits on 4 spiders now instead of 5.

This is the critical flaw- is one less spider really that much of a difference? If it is, then how come people play using 4 spids and the jav- a ship that is functionally less useful than spider in the FR attacks, seeing as it can fire only one shot that will be most likely repped and the shot takes like 5 secs to redo, not to mention that in order to recharge is has to dodge spider bullets, of which only 2 or 3 can kill the jav.

I'd pick the hail of bullets.

[Escalate]

having a jav does make it tough in FR battles, everyone knows that. atleast a jav/wb can make up for it by being a huge threat to the terr which always has to be watched for. a camping spider doesnt even do that.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Not to mention the camping spider in the back won't be able to land direct and crucial hits on the enemies key ships from far off, basically he's just lobbing at the spiders and sharks.

This sounds solid in theory, but in the actual games, all I see on my kill messages are Spy's kills. What happens is when he pours his bullets into the FR, sharks repel the bullets every which way. I've found myself pinned by spiders alot, only to be saved by a stray bullet from Spy, or any spider's, guns. Now, what if I was the spider that fired the crucial shot to kill the terr? You see, Spybreak! isn't the main crucial guy- he saves the crucial guy's ass so he can do something crucial.

If some of the 4 pushing spiders die then the enemies shark will have no problem using all 3 of his reps to gain ground, because im sure all you sharks know its much easier to use all your reps when a spider is shooting at you from far off then when a spider is right next to you shooting one after another (Also makes sharks use their reps quicker when spiders are right on top of them).

See, too many variables. What if the camper killed the sharks? Argument can go either way.

Having a camping spider also limits the amount of attach kills you can get off their terr.

Uhhh...how..?

When a camping spider says that he's just dodging and playing smart, I don't buy it. From what I see, all they're doing is using the rest of their team as bait in order for them to get easier kills, to me its just a selfish type of play.

See, this might apply to any camper- but not spybreak. Spy's one of the the most modest, unselfish spiders around. He knows that staying alive is the best thing he can do for his terr. Spy WAS a terr, so he knows what a terr wants.

Yeah camping spiders can get a whole lot of kills, but meaningless non-crucial kills.

If they're non-crucial, then noone would care, meaning that noone would complain. But they are complaining. Oh, and Spy's TeK's are 2,2,0,1. Last time I checked, a terr dying was pretty crucial. Even vs. Syndicate, he got 2.

I'd rather have a spider with less kills who's played a bigger part in taking the FR by getting TeK's, killing sharks before they were able to use their reps, or getting attach kills so the enemies can't rebound back then a camper spider who is just getting a bunch of spider kills and shark kills after they used all their reps and not putting any pressure on their terr.

Well in this case, Spy does all of those things, so I agree. Except he doesnt get low kills.

I believe it makes it harder for the pushing spiders to get these crucial kills with a camping spider sitting back and not putting pressure on the other team. Basically its just sacrificing the play of the team to better your own. I don't even wanna discuss trying to break a cram with a camping spider, thats a royal pain in the ass.

Spy puts a shitload of pressure on the other team. Do you know how annoying it is to be dying left and right and not being able to hit the killer? I'd go nuts.

As a afternote, might I add that they've raised the spawn timer to 4 seconds, making staying alive all the more useful.

[Jerome Scuggs]

having a jav does make it tough in FR battles, everyone knows that. atleast a jav/wb can make up for it by being a huge threat to the terr which always has to be watched for. a camping spider doesnt even do that.

If you're spiders aren't good enough to put pressure on the terr just by being there, then perhaps you might think that. Holydude and Nethila are bastards when it comes to TeK'ing.

[Adman]

i like spy, i don't like his spidering, he is a funny man, and i predicted A-S to win TWLB before anyone else, go look at their forums. Ask anyone.

[Jerome Scuggs]

plz refer to above :P

[demonfaze]

If you're using a jav who's bombs are most likely going to be repped, then either you shouldn't be using a jav or you need to get a different jav, because obviously they are shooting at the wrong times. If you're using a good jav like nockm or PJ or someone like that, then a jav can be very useful at anytime in a basing game. You're forgetting that in a FR battle a good jav can take out basically half to 3/4 of the team in one shot, not to mention he's a good tek machine. A jav can basically just turn the tide in FR battles like nothing by just landing one good shot. Having some bombs repped and dying at times without getting shots off is a very small sacrifice for the amount of damage it can do. This is even excluding that javs are great for breaking crams, and being able to hold crams with just one shot when the enemy is about to break in. If synd had a great jav, we wouldn't think twice to use him.

EDIT: I'll reply to all your comments from my prevous post later, im at work right now so I gotta get some stuff done here.

[Jerome Scuggs]

We don't have nockm or PJ. Spy will do just fine. He got 2 tek's on the preseason vs syndicate (alot of you guys are posting now, i hope i didnt offend little exe-poo, apologies)

[Vihta]

THe knows that staying alive is the best thing he can do for his terr.

I'm not bothering to write a book about the flaws of your arguments. That quote just shows all that is needed.

[Jerome Scuggs]

When you're dead, you don't kill. I see no flaw. As for the book, bring it. If you're not willing to argue, then sit the hell down.

edit: Oh, and since spy actually KILLS while staying alive, it works. For campers, it might be a flawed argument, but im talking about spybreak here.

[Escalate]

If you're spiders aren't good enough to put pressure on the terr just by being there, then perhaps you might think that.

our spiders are better than yours.

[Jerome Scuggs]

http://twl.trenchwars.org/?module=tw...nMatchID=51267

I believe you.

[Escalate]

rofl...what is that...a preseason game where we had mr. spam in jav...please dont be stupid.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Uh oh, mr bigshot with the "preseason" excuse

anyways if you're not ganna argue on the topic of the thread, my work here is done