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  • #31
    while Epi is arguing the letter of the rule which states the round proceeding the one in which the member left is the cooldown period. - genocidal

    No, I'm afraid you're wrong. I am arguing both the spirit and the letter of the rule. Are you familiar with the english language? Do you know what proceeding round means? It means the following round; don't step in if you don't know what you are talking about.

    But the rule vagueness does allow for interpretation - genocidal

    On the contrary, despite no punishment for offense being clarified, the actual outline of the rule is very clear for anyone who can use their head. Try it.

    As for 2d leaving, what does Code know? It's not like Code was madly refreshing Venom's TWD roster while playing in a game. 2D doesn't need Code's permission to leave Venom, and whether or not 2D told Code or not, ?squadleft or not, or left the Venom chat or not is irrelevant. He left before the round ended in the only place where it mattered, the TWD/TWL website. - Epinephrine

    In that case, if people are going to be childish and resort to silly bias and opinionated pseudo determinants to save their friends or their reputation, and say that 'it's a matter of what matches were played and at what times during the round and when the person left during the round' etc, then I want proof of your claims. I want proof that he did indeed leave during matches, and not after. If there is no proof, then your claim can be reinforced no more than mine, in which case a rematch is in session.

    Another reason why this desperate resort to a pseudo explanation of the rule technically would never fly, because issues like this would arise each time. You know this Epi; I know how you used to argue against people breaking the law in the past; including when I argued against accidental doublesquadding on past squads of mine. I know if you could you would crusade the same point I am making; I give you too much credit to believe you incapable of seeing all that's been brought forth so far.


    Anyway, once again Randedl hammered the point home, and people simply need to stop being childish as accept the simple fact that the rules were broken, and some sort of consequences must ensue, in regards to this situation, and preventing future ones. As for the TWL Ops, this is simply a good reason to consider either reviewing some rules more thoroughly (or, though I could be innacurate on this hunch, reconsider underestimating the crowd's ability to catch on to leniency/favoritism in subtle rule bending), before giving squads heads up. And if TWL staff feels that embarrassed to go up to Pirates and apologize for misinforming them, then perhaps it's time to find new staff to fill the positions in question.
    Last edited by Lofty; 03-10-2005, 11:27 PM.
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    • #32
      I asked 2dragons whether he wanted to change his name to 2chickens.


      He didn't want to.







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      • #33
        Now that is an overestimate of my ability. My contribution is nothing more than a flea bite on the butt of a cancer patient. After all this is already a stupidity infested forum.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Lofty
          In that case, if people are going to be childish and resort to silly bias and opinionated pseudo determinants to save their friends or their reputation, and say that 'it's a matter of what matches were played and at what times during the round and when the person left during the round' etc, then I want proof of your claims. I want proof that he did indeed leave during matches, and not after. If there is no proof, then your claim can be reinforced no more than mine, in which case a rematch is in session.
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          • #35
            lol funny how the same thing happened with me on Rapid and I didn't get to play...mmm gotta love people in so called "high power" on a free 2d internet game..yummy , gotta love politics
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            • #36
              Well i have 2 things to say..

              1) i didnt like the idea of letting them to play for us that weekend because of that rule

              BUT

              2) 2d and epi were in so bad rust that we just gave chances to beat us.. -f- did it.. rusher sucked it.. pfft
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Randedl
                sorry epi, i think you have it completely wrong. further, i think you might even be inclined to argue the opposite if you weren't directly involved.
                No because as I explained, the rule (at least in my head) has always meant if you joined during a round you could play the next. That's how it was enforced in season 6.

                EDIT: As it appears this rule has been slightly modified from the season 6 rules
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                Season 6 rule:
                5.03 The Standard Waiting Period for roster eligibility goes as follows: Any player joining a squad for participation in Trench Wars League, will be subject to a one round cool down period after registration and confirmation by a Squad Captain. Players will not be eligible to participate in official Trench Wars League matches until the one round period has expired. (Example: Players joining in round 3 will not be allowed to play in any games until round 4 begins.) If there are postponements, players which were not originally eligable for the round before it was postponed will still not be eligable for the postponed round.
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                I guess the modified rule changes the semantics a bit.

                Think about it this way... if a player gets axed on Saturday at 2pm EST... does that mean they can't play 2 rounds in a row even if they find a new squad right away? C'mon. If you have games left that you could have played in, and you left therefore you missed a possible playing chance, that's the cooldown period. That's the penalty. TWL does not discriminate between whether a player left of their own volition or whether they were axed. The rule is there to prevent people from playing 2 games for 2 squads in the same week. Rodge was quite clear about that when Lofty quoted him way up.



                To answer the questions of why i'm replying so vehemently to this, if 2d is implicated then I obviously am too as I was on Venom as well, game played in round 2 or not. And from the first posts before I responded the tone seemed to be that 2d and I somehow intentionally tried to break the rules because we were staff or something like that. That was never the case and I must defend my honour.

                And as for Treach and Lofty trying to fight for their already-denied appeal... It's too bad you guys didn't complain during the game, because if you did 2d probably would have sat. He didn't even want to play anyway and that's the honest truth. Still even though 2d was a non-factor that game, we destroyed you guys. Since I don't want to say anything else that may be interpreted as speaking for Pirates or the TWL Staff, I'll stop there.
                Last edited by Epinephrine; 03-11-2005, 03:21 AM.
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                • #38
                  MMMmmm another TWL thread about ME!!!!! W00t.

                  - Consent was given before playing.
                  - Read the rules, there is no bend, Epi & I waited our week to the T.
                  - I left the roster of Venom 1 week and no less prior to participating in a TWL match, as did Epi; although I still remained physically squad joined until later that evening. (I was playing hockey zone.)
                  - I did not want to play the game, I expressed that when I was placed in.

                  Appeal denied, TWL Op sanctioned, complaints vetoed. Case closed. Just fix the problem, define what a round is. It is not cut and dry, clearly there are two ideas of a round, and numerous people that see it each way. I do not see how you can argue a rule in question when it is not clearly defined as being one way or the other. Do not make the assumption that your interpretation of a rule is the correct one, I have my interpretation, but I can also see yours.

                  And I wasn't surprised to see Randedl start this post, what do you have against me? You are hereby eliminated from Psions 4 Life. :grin:
                  Last edited by 2dragons; 03-11-2005, 05:35 AM.
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                  • #39
                    As I said. This has very little to do with what happened last week. Also included in the rules is the statement that decisions are final.

                    However, with roster locks fast approaching and the chances for much more of this movement, it would be nice to know where the powers that be stand, rather than what everybody else's interpretation is.

                    I asked for that in the original post and have still yet to see anything.

                    Dude, you played in successive weeks for different squads, where is your "cool down period"? What, you weren't allowed to play in any TWL games for Pirates from monday to friday?
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                    • #40
                      Are those 2 sea horses in your avatar 2dragons?

                      BTW I definitely like randedl more than 2chickens, simply because randedl spends more time whining in this game :wub:
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by bloodzombie
                        I don't see what's wrong with playing for two different squads two weekends in a row, as long as you can't play for two different squads in the same weekend.
                        Yeah fuckface, why do we even have TWL then, we could just do draft tournaments every weekend.
                        TWL has these rules and they should be for everyone, no bias.
                        I know you don't have to talk to ethics with someone who used his smod power to play with insane lag. But this is just another fuckup, you can throw up as many smokescreens as you want, the rules weren't applied.
                        I guess it's good to do favors to someone who contributed to the zone, but why the fuck have leagues then, just give them all ufo and let them own up pub.

                        It's just like the last season with the soft rosterlock, if you aren't going to apply the rules, don't write them down. I wonder if we also could create any room in the cheaters chapter with the right interpretation..
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                        • #42
                          God, you ppl whine too much.


                          Staff> ok this rule thing didnt work out, so a change:

                          -any player leaving any squad after (now here's the kicker, and this is just an example) round X starts (8:00am gmt on saturday morning or whatever timezone it's in) WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO PLAY in round X+1.
                          Originally posted by Disliked
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                          when i was on incuria i took 40 mgs of adderol like an hour before every match. didnt help me that much :X

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                          • #43
                            Ya why do we have such a stupid rule. Make the rules simple so there is no misunderstanding.

                            I agree w/ rand and lofty that they should of had a cool down week. Its a penalty for squadhopping. 2d, u playing HZ should realize squadhopping penalties.

                            I believe merce wasnt allowed to play for us last weekend and it was the same exact case as 2d/epis. Amazingly rogue couldnt either. isnt that something. 2 high staffers can and 2 regular players cant.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Epinephrine
                              Think about it this way... if a player gets axed on Saturday at 2pm EST... does that mean they can't play 2 rounds in a row even if they find a new squad right away? C'mon. If you have games left that you could have played in, and you left therefore you missed a possible playing chance, that's the cooldown period. That's the penalty. TWL does not discriminate between whether a player left of their own volition or whether they were axed. The rule is there to prevent people from playing 2 games for 2 squads in the same week. Rodge was quite clear about that when Lofty quoted him way up.
                              That is exactly what the rule says. It doesn't matter if you change squads on saturday 13:00:01 or on sunday 16:59:59, you still need to wait the next full round, which would be the next weeks round.

                              If the purpose of that rule is just to prevent one person of playing in 2 squads on the same weekend, it must be changed. For that purpose the rule doesn't work as supposed. But at least you need to clearly define one full round. When you have done that it doesn't leave room for as much argument.

                              So to summarize, with the current rule in effect, I would say that it was clearly broken.
                              Last edited by Darkmoor; 03-11-2005, 08:46 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Things are being argued that really shouldn't be.

                                1) What defines a "round". Everyone knows what a round is, you don't need to define this.
                                2) The outcome of the game and 2d's contribution to the game. This dosen't apply to the arguement. Only whether the rule was broken or not is the arguement.
                                3)Whether it is a good rule or not.
                                4) This hasn't been argued but I'm going to say it just in case. It goes along with #2. If there were a rematch, whether people think the outcome of the game could even be changed is also not an issue.

                                And btw nobody who has argued in favour of Pirates has been able to justify that 2d did not go through a 1 round cool down. If he had not played for venom at all I think that would have been okay. But he did.

                                I don't blame pirates, I don't blame 2d. I blame the staff who let him play. They were wrong, they don't want to admit it and hence the appeal was denied. Thanks to all who have voiced their opinion because they have realized what has happened here.

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