Bad behaviour during a TWL game from a whole squad from spec.

[Kim]

Vihta and Sika are pretty ownage still. Can't say the same about blood though weeeeeerd

[King Baba]

Must say, been an entertaining TWL so far. At least one shocker every week!

[Miku19]

Lately blood has been totally owning twd, but when it comes to the real deal he's choked horribly. :detective

[RednaZ]

Blood is just too cool for this game!

[MILOS]

Yes I do consider Syndicate and Final to both be power-house squads, and you're right I wouldn't consider United Force to be a power-house squad. How is what you said proving your point? You just gave an opinion of what you think would happen. We have a difference of opinion because I think if UF played -F- or Synd "seriously" with both teams having top lines in for 10 matches, I believe UF would only come out with about 2 wins against both teams.

The people that you mentioned as being ineffective today are only that because they stopped playing or are inactive. They are not more figureheads then they are warbirds, they became figureheads because of how good they were at warbirds. I played alongside vihta for quite a long time and I know how capable he is in warbird, and if he didn't lose interest in this game he'd still be among the top players today. Same goes for Blood, if he wasn't inactive for such a long period of time and actually cared, he'd still be among the top as well. I don't think it has anything to do with people catching up to their skill level, it has to do with these particular people lost interest in the game or became inactive/stopped caring.

I don't see where you're getting at with that comment about how people look at names not skill. The people with the "names" are generally the people with the skill, that is how they got these big names to begin with, with their skill. That is why these same teams are being predicted and winning TWL each season. Also yeah Final and Synd do recruit new outside talent, they pretty much have to if they want a roster, because a lot of older players either retired or went inactive, they have to be replaced. You can't fill up an entire roster with older active players. That is the way it is every season though. Going back to Siege, not everyone on that squad had the rep of banzi, blood, fieryfire etc, same thing with Elusive and Rampage. So of course you need to recruit outside talent.

Well we clearly do have differing opinions then. Perhaps we both underestimate each others squads, or perhaps one of us is right. The truth we'll unfortunately never find out, however we will face each other at full strength in TWL so we shall see.

I never denied that those vets were good at one point or another. They definitely were. That's after all how they earned their reputations. Today is a different story though. Most of them are inactive and they just don't perform even to 50% of their perceived reputations.

You cannot deny that skill levels of TW players are increasing each season. That's just a fact. Each season is more and more competitive (on average, as everything in life). So maybe to you the Rampage season was tougher then the Grapevine season, but either way, on average the skill level is rising. The vets who have been around for a while are way past their prime, and may gain skill (the active ones) but not nearly at the rate that the pubbers or new "elimers" are. Therefore, since skill increases at a decreasing rate, eventually given a long enough time frame players do tend to catch up to one another.

Think about the first time you played this game. How did you play? Now imagine how you play now. You have likely improved vastly and tremendously over the amount of years you have played. Now, do you think you will continue to improve at the rate you have so far? I think it's near impossible for you to achieve any really noticeable improvements (as is the case with many current "vets"). On the other hand, the pubbers are improving at an alarming rate. They will eventually catch up, because you are hardly improving at all.

The only reason I can think of why any non-power-house squad would on average lose to Syndicate or -Final- is the unfortunately unavoidable reality that we possess human weaknesses. Many players can't handle the pressure of playing against a squad such as "Syndicate" and they get scared and choke. When -F- plays a game, who are they "afraid" of? No one. To them, every squad is pretty much like playing Dingus Inc.. They got the mental freedom to perform and that's the only advantage they have.

[pascone]

im not really sure what df's point is. of course if people from years ago played all the way through they'd be better. fact is not many are left, and the ones that are are still good. -f- hasn't really shown too much thus far so milos could have a point. time will tell!

[bicycle]

what the hell milos i stopped reading what you said after the 3rd paragraph because it basically had no point to it and why would you ever spend your time writing that. all i got out of that was that people improve over time which is basically as obvious as saying books have words in them.

[demonfaze]

Well we clearly do have differing opinions then. Perhaps we both underestimate each others squads, or perhaps one of us is right. The truth we'll unfortunately never find out, however we will face each other at full strength in TWL so we shall see.

I never denied that those vets were good at one point or another. They definitely were. That's after all how they earned their reputations. Today is a different story though. Most of them are inactive and they just don't perform even to 50% of their perceived reputations.

You cannot deny that skill levels of TW players are increasing each season. That's just a fact. Each season is more and more competitive (on average, as everything in life). So maybe to you the Rampage season was tougher then the Grapevine season, but either way, on average the skill level is rising. The vets who have been around for a while are way past their prime, and may gain skill (the active ones) but not nearly at the rate that the pubbers or new "elimers" are. Therefore, since skill increases at a decreasing rate, eventually given a long enough time frame players do tend to catch up to one another.

Think about the first time you played this game. How did you play? Now imagine how you play now. You have likely improved vastly and tremendously over the amount of years you have played. Now, do you think you will continue to improve at the rate you have so far? I think it's near impossible for you to achieve any really noticeable improvements (as is the case with many current "vets"). On the other hand, the pubbers are improving at an alarming rate. They will eventually catch up, because you are hardly improving at all.

The only reason I can think of why any non-power-house squad would on average lose to Syndicate or -Final- is the unfortunately unavoidable reality that we possess human weaknesses. Many players can't handle the pressure of playing against a squad such as "Syndicate" and they get scared and choke. When -F- plays a game, who are they "afraid" of? No one. To them, every squad is pretty much like playing Dingus Inc.. They got the mental freedom to perform and that's the only advantage they have.

I'll repeat one thing from my first point of what I think you're mainly saying -"In the past the skill gap was much wider between the top players and everyone else than it is now." Meaning, yeah people are improving from what they were before, to being more competitive. To me though they still aren't reaching the level of what other older top players were before they retired or went inactive, or even the top current players. There is not as many slaughterings as their use to be though, a lot more squads are putting up decent fights, which is good, which again relates to what I already said. But one thing I have to point out that you said - "On the other hand, the pubbers are improving at an alarming rate. They will eventually catch up, because you are hardly improving at all." Who's to say they will peak at a level as high as other top players?

[bicycle]

lol sorry to go against you again MILOS but why would you talk about pubbers and how would you even know if they're improving. All I ever seen for like the 6 seconds before I can type ?go #ilikemen is some lev blowing up a whole base which doesn't really require any skill.

[Jason]

both of you are comparing apples to oranges

the lay of the land was 100% different back in the day as compared to now

this argument is nothing but an endless cycle of "this is what i think" and "that's what you think" so just drop it

[MILOS]

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Well I guess at the end it comes down to whether you believe that it is possible for one player to be better then an other if both put forth equal effort/training and start playing at the same time. If you believe it is, then you believe that this game requires talent.

I think the pubbers who try their best, and actually want to do well can peak at a level just as high as Vihta or Blood or whatever vet you want to name. The unfortunate truth is though, they won't get acknowledged for it because these vets hold almost mythical positions in TW history. No one can ever be as good as them!

[bicycle]

well i think it'd be true if i said that there are a lot of people better than blood now. however it is very easy to say that blood was a beast in his prime or however you'd like to say it because there's no one to prove or disprove it.

[demonfaze]

Well I guess at the end it comes down to whether you believe that it is possible for one player to be better then an other if both put forth equal effort/training and start playing at the same time. If you believe it is, then you believe that this game requires talent.

I think the pubbers who try their best, and actually want to do well can peak at a level just as high as Vihta or Blood or whatever vet you want to name. The unfortunate truth is though, they won't get acknowledged for it because these vets hold almost mythical positions in TW history. No one can ever be as good as them!

Your first part I do believe that, so I agree. As for your second part I think you're very wrong. I do believe that in time it is very possible for people to peak at the level of other top players like the ones you mentioned, it just hasn't happened in quite sometime. Most of the current top players have been the top players for years already. It doesn't take years to get good at this game. It's totally untrue what you said about people being as good as other top players but not being acknowledged for it because of their mythical prowess? Thats absolute BS, all the top players started at the bottom at some point and worked their way up to the top and got acknowledged for it. Nothing is stopping anyone else from doing the same. Just look at Escalate, he came from Solstice in season 6 to Syndicate in season 7 and definitely got acknowledged as a top player with his skill, and "mythical prowess" didn't stop him either. You don't have to be some old schooler to be recognized or anything, it doesn't make any sense at all.

[Sufficient]

I think that ppl get annoyed when vets contantly reminesce about "the old great elite players". Esp when you consider there was no res cap years ago. I mean come on ... 2820x1480 or whatever ... if you don't dominate TWLD or get 30-2 minimum in elim, then I'd be very disappointed.

[Miku19]

This argument is pointless anyways, what's the winner gonna do with his trophy?