Grapevine's disaster .. BUT HOW?!

[Na$]

I wouldn't call FBZ's attitude that of a loser considering he's won more TWL championships than total TWL games you might have played. It's perfectly normal for players to jump ship when they see the ship might be sinking. Reasons might stem from poor leadership, lack of skill, or just the fact the team is full of choke artists.

If GV is so reliant on a noobie like MK, then I'd probably disband.

I think Abs has a point

[Reaver]

reaver/swim/myt hurt them waaaaaaaaaay way more than mk/scoop/mega

You mean Mythril...When Mythril was cought cheating and they got Disqualified from TWLB alot of people left, not just basers either. People that can't stand cheaters...

P.S. I left because of Mythril. I'm not talking about cheating (I left before that incident)I'm talking about the way he acted.

[Capital Knockers]

It sucks to see this, but who didn't expect it? Happens all the time in twl, and Im surprised to see this much shit over it. Now Im not defending Mega Newbie or Confluence, or maybe I am, regardless..

If Im not mistaken, they both think themselves to be a 3-league allstar. Since GV was knocked outta one of those leagues (that being basing) some people were going to leave regardless, and why wouldnt MegaN go back to Syndicate, where he can have his cock sucked everytime he turns on CE and wins a match?

[Pakastin]

loololololol people leaving cause of 1 loss. thats like forgetting sex when you cant get it up while drunk. ANYONE DONE THAT?!!?!??!

AND FUCK IT, EVERYONE BEEN THERE, ONLY FUCKING STUPID NERDS WIHTOUT SEXUAL EXPERIENCE WILL SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ALLWAYS PERFORMING, I LAUGH AT YOU NERDS WHEN YOU SAY THAT. OR YOU ARE JUST IDIOTS WITHOUT ANY EXPERIENCE FROM ALCOHOL, SO SHHHS.

TO EVERYONE IN GV, GO HAVE A PERFECT LIFE WITHOUT SEX

[Underground]

loololololol people leaving cause of 1 loss. thats like forgetting sex when you cant get it up while drunk. ANYONE DONE THAT?!!?!??!

AND FUCK IT, EVERYONE BEEN THERE, ONLY FUCKING STUPID NERDS WIHTOUT SEXUAL EXPERIENCE WILL SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ALLWAYS PERFORMING, I LAUGH AT YOU NERDS WHEN YOU SAY THAT. OR YOU ARE JUST IDIOTS WITHOUT ANY EXPERIENCE FROM ALCOHOL, SO SHHHS.

TO EVERYONE IN GV, GO HAVE A PERFECT LIFE WITHOUT SEX

HAHA I LOVE PAKASTIN

oh and abs, i call that giving up just cuz u had a bad game. but w/e

[demonfaze]

It sucks to see this, but who didn't expect it? Happens all the time in twl, and Im surprised to see this much shit over it. Now Im not defending Mega Newbie or Confluence, or maybe I am, regardless..

If Im not mistaken, they both think themselves to be a 3-league allstar. Since GV was knocked outta one of those leagues (that being basing) some people were going to leave regardless, and why wouldnt MegaN go back to Syndicate, where he can have his cock sucked everytime he turns on CE and wins a match?

You are mistaken, and what the hell are you even talking about? Why are you even mentioning Confluence considering he left GV before TWL and even before they were kicked out of TWLB. If someone isn't enjoying the squad they are part of, I don't see any reason for them to stay. I don't even know where you get these ideas that MN gets his "cock sucked", nobody gets sucked up to on my squad, and we don't rely on single players to carry matches for us like some other squads, if you paid any attention whatsover you'd see that.

Also I don't recruit anyone that I think cheats or even anyone that I know has a history of cheating, as far as im concerned I don't recall Mega Newbie ever being banned for using CE, correct me if im wrong there. I'm sure staff has watched MN numerous times to no prevail, he does have lag due to being from Brazil which is what makes him so controversial, but i'll always go by the standards of innocent until proven guilty.

Anyway, if you build your squad around a strong and loyal core than you wouldn't run into these types of problems.

I'm gonna have to predict GV to be around lets say... number 7 in TWLD now. I'd predict you higher if... well if you were better.

[Kid Kaos]

So those fags left, all of you are now that much lower on my respect poll. The funny thing is that had non of this happened im sure we would be the top rated squad in TWLD right now. If we had Reaver, Swimkid, Mega Newbie, Me, Mythril still, we wud be a fucking hard squad to stop. But hey, people are gonna leave, cause people like to join those older squads who have always won TWL because they think that nobody else can win. Well they are sadly mistaken, Syndicate isnt as hard to beat NOW as they were 2 years ago. Same with -F-. You fucks are so boring leaving good squads to join these squads that win every year. Every year its -F- or some form of the old Elusive/siege. Every fucking year, the same people win this shit. Its so fucking boring. I would LOVE to see a new squad, with a NEW style lineup, win it all.

Honestly.... Who else is tired of seeing this happen? Its like watching the Yankees win the series EVERY FUCKING YEAR. Its repetitive and boring after awhile. Or the Bulls winning every fucking year in the 90's. Everybody HATED them because they would always win and people wanted to see other teams in the Finals besides the damn Bulls. Why cant you "elite" players share the skill and make teams more balanced? You all have to huddle up under one unbrella when their is like 10 more umbrellas that have nobody under them. I just hope to GOD that somebody new can win this year. So all these fucks who left Grapevine for -F- and Syndicate can eat shit. Seriously, you wanna try and screw my chances of winning TWLD, I hope you get screwed too.

[King Baba]

Well, I could say one of many things that has been said before, but I have respect for Rand and what he does with GV. He's a leader, no question, and this season... well, maybe he might be getting a taste of the post-TWL dissolve that would continue the trend.

It's hard to find loyalty for a squad that's just going to dissolve...

I mean no offence at all, of course, but if I were invited back to GV (which, I might as well clear up right now before people jump on me, I was not) I'd decline just on the fact that GV dissolved twice while I was a member, and I respect Kid Kaos for saying he's there 'til the end, but so were a lot of people. Multiple times.

It's nobody's fault mind you! I don't blame Rand or anybody, usually there are priorities that overshadow this game and it changes with the weather, but I just hope people don't scratch their heads too long about why GV has gone down the road it has.

Sure people left at the most fucked up time, and I can see the majority of the responsibility going with Myth, Swim, and Reaver, but I think there are underlying aspects about GV and what's going on that people outside of GV just don't know. I think we should let GV mind GV business and take into account the fact that we all have our own squads to tend to.

[Reaver]

Well, I could say one of many things that has been said before, but I have respect for Rand and what he does with GV. He's a leader, no question, and this season... well, maybe he might be getting a taste of the post-TWL dissolve that would continue the trend.

It's hard to find loyalty for a squad that's just going to dissolve...

I mean no offence at all, of course, but if I were invited back to GV (which, I might as well clear up right now before people jump on me, I was not) I'd decline just on the fact that GV dissolved twice while I was a member, and I respect Kid Kaos for saying he's there 'til the end, but so were a lot of people. Multiple times.

It's nobody's fault mind you! I don't blame Rand or anybody, usually there are priorities that overshadow this game and it changes with the weather, but I just hope people don't scratch their heads too long about why GV has gone down the road it has.

Sure people left at the most fucked up time, and I can see the majority of the responsibility going with Myth, Swim, and Reaver, but I think there are underlying aspects about GV and what's going on that people outside of GV just don't know. I think we should let GV mind GV business and take into account the fact that we all have our own squads to tend to.

I'm not going to air any dirty laundry, I had my reasons for leaving GV. If you weren't in GV at the time then you have no reason to point at me as a reason for GV's downfall, because you don't know how well the squad functioned with or without me. Pointing the finger at someone isn't going to bring GV's old roster back either, but I can say that GV got along just fine without me for plenty of time and up until recent people leaving the squad was doing well. I left march 16th btw, that was long enough ago imo to say that leaving GV had a very little impact, if any on GV's current roster and TWL standing.

P.S. Don't be bitter with me because I left GV to compete with people that, for the most part, I get along with better. I had alot of good times on GV but I had some serious issues with a captain of the squad and that tends to make people jump ship. When I had left GV their current roster was just as well off as -F-'s so don't make it seem like I was leaving because of any other factor than my continual annoyance with Mythril.

[Na$]

You are mistaken, and what the hell are you even talking about? Why are you even mentioning Confluence considering he left GV before TWL and even before they were kicked out of TWLB. If someone isn't enjoying the squad they are part of, I don't see any reason for them to stay. I don't even know where you get these ideas that MN gets his "cock sucked", nobody gets sucked up to on my squad, and we don't rely on single players to carry matches for us like some other squads, if you paid any attention whatsover you'd see that.

Also I don't recruit anyone that I think cheats or even anyone that I know has a history of cheating, as far as im concerned I don't recall Mega Newbie ever being banned for using CE, correct me if im wrong there. I'm sure staff has watched MN numerous times to no prevail, he does have lag due to being from Brazil which is what makes him so controversial, but i'll always go by the standards of innocent until proven guilty.

Anyway, if you build your squad around a strong and loyal core than you wouldn't run into these types of problems.

I'm gonna have to predict GV to be around lets say... number 7 in TWLD now. I'd predict you higher if... well if you were better.

Well he has been banned for cheating for a while. Don't know if it was because of lagcheating or because he hacked maps.

[Aquatiq]

stupid? blame yourself for leaving gv cause you guys had a bad game.

haha neth, ok, you don't suck any more ^-^

[bicycle]

Mega Newbie was banned for cheating before haha demonfaze silly pilot. And nethila that was some beautiful pwnage you had on scoop. pooor scoop probably going to cry but it's not like he really plays for them anyway so I guess the fact that he can't play is relatively moot. Just to reiterate, pretty sure mega newbie was banned for cheating a while back.

[King Baba]

My apologies, Reaver, I didn't mean to imply that I pointed the finger. I was merely stating that, in this thread, the general concensus is that the roster changes didn't do anything to help GV. Your personal decisions are just that, and really, that's all there is to it.

...and I was actually stating that there were things that a lot of people not involved with GV couldn't righteously criticize, one being your choice to leave, among others.

[Eric is God]

Bravo Kid Kaos. I have never really liked squads that are created more from a shopping list then from a building process. Hopefully things will change.

[Deluge]

You are mistaken, and what the hell are you even talking about? Why are you even mentioning Confluence considering he left GV before TWL and even before they were kicked out of TWLB. If someone isn't enjoying the squad they are part of, I don't see any reason for them to stay. I don't even know where you get these ideas that MN gets his "cock sucked", nobody gets sucked up to on my squad, and we don't rely on single players to carry matches for us like some other squads, if you paid any attention whatsover you'd see that.

Also I don't recruit anyone that I think cheats or even anyone that I know has a history of cheating, as far as im concerned I don't recall Mega Newbie ever being banned for using CE, correct me if im wrong there. I'm sure staff has watched MN numerous times to no prevail, he does have lag due to being from Brazil which is what makes him so controversial, but i'll always go by the standards of innocent until proven guilty.

Anyway, if you build your squad around a strong and loyal core than you wouldn't run into these types of problems.

I'm gonna have to predict GV to be around lets say... number 7 in TWLD now. I'd predict you higher if... well if you were better.

wasnt he netbanned for a year for cheating? is so it contradicts everythign you said