TWL Rules Modified

[Kim]

Please do not put a 1 hour deadline for deciding. Give yourself a day or two at least. Sometimes it takes a while to track down the proper people (for instance the host of the game may already have left because of real life commitments even if you asked them to hang around) and get all the facts. If you rush yourself you are in danger of making a bad decision. Additionally if you wait more than 1 hour you may find appeals to appeals happening, in which case everything gets screwed up.

Hmm okay epi that one will be reconsidered

[ikpt]

This has been beat to death already, but I also think playoffs should be seeded in a 1v8/4v5 format, or that alphabet group with 16 teams, or whatever. 1v5 just isnt really fair to anyone, so I hope it's changed to something more conventional.

I just also want to second Epi's mention that the "must PM TWL-OP within minutes" is a bit unrealistic. The deadline at 6pm he suggested sounds fine though and I don't think it's a problem to require the appeal be made on the same day by that time.

[MousE]

a set deadline sucks like 6pm or something because not all squads play matches at the same time make a specific time from the match

[Epinephrine]

a set deadline sucks like 6pm or something because not all squads play matches at the same time make a specific time from the match

The point of 6pm isn't for the squads as much as it is for the Ops. In one weekend you may get multiple appeals. If a squad has to submit an appeal within an hour of their game, other games may still be happening. But because of this idea that the Ops must decide within an hour, then the ops will be distracted figuring out the appeal instead of making sure the rest of the weekend runs smoothly.

As well, due to 'things that come up' sometimes the Ops really won't be able to make a quick reply so fast. If you have a set time like 6pm, they can just check once after the weekend is over and deal with it then.

Also, appeals frequently cause captains to harass staff members (i.e. the host) and others in order to get all the information they need. If the host is hosting another game, this can affect TWL.


And yet again.. having to message a TWL-Op about this 'within minutes' is just impractical and can lead to a lot of problems. Just make it so that the Op will check at the end of the weekend while giving them a friendly heads-up would be the best way.

Justice should not be hurried if it will lead to justice not being served.

[MousE]

^ agreed but what if a team plays at 5pm est? they would have 15 mins to do an appeal?

[Izor]

well when I appealed our game I sent a ?help immediately (when I got home) so that would count as pming someone I would imagine, then they told me to use the email, then they ignored me for 4+ weeks.

But I agree that staff should be notified quickly. Otherwise it can look like you're just flipping through the site looking for something that was done wrong. They probably need a little more time than an hour to decide, but a deadline for responding is certainly necessary, so as to avoid repeats of this season

Hero: Determining seeding is a bit tricky, however a tournament may not be necessary if you take other things into account. For example a squad who feeds off of lower ranked squads will have a low ave R. If you use ave R as a multiplier (1.4 for a team with 1400 ave R) then it will give a worthwhile bonus to teams who play good squads and win. It's a bit early in the TWD season to figure this by the numbers, but when squads get more games in I can use the ladder to find a good system.

If a tournament is better in peoples minds though, I'm sure seeding it 1-16 based on TWD then going into the season would be just as good

[Epinephrine]

^ agreed but what if a team plays at 5pm est? they would have 15 mins to do an appeal?

Then make it 7...

[Cig Smoke]

I still dont understand this playoffs bracket.


Isnt the point of finishing #1 seed to have the "eziest" path to the finals? I mean why the hell would the #4 seed have the pleasure of playing the #8 team? Why would squads even stive for the #1 seed to play a team who is rated #5 instead of #8? I Dont get this concept at all. I think any real playoff bracket is #1v#8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5.

I also dont get the concept of having 2 divisions if we are just gonna mix and match the 2 in playoffs anyway. I mean its been like this for awhile but it still confuses me

[Kim]

Okay here's Wark's idea tuned to what I like

Four bracket system would be nice, but the rankings should go a little bit more like this to separate to power-houses.

Bracket A - #1,8,9,16.
Bracket B - #2,7,10,15.
Bracket C - #3,6,11,14.
Bracket D - #4,5,12,13.

Week 1
1v8 2v7 3v6 4v5 9v16 10v15 11v14 12v13

Week 2
1v9 2v10 3v11 4v12 8v16 7v15 6v14 5v13

Week 3
1v16 2v15 3v14 4v13 8v9 2v15 3v14 4v13

Week 4-6 will be repeat of Week 1-3.


From here we'll take the top 2 from each bracket just like in World Cup style.
Pretend that first two from each group do actually advance.

Combine A and D, B and C -> also re-arrange the teams according to ranking from 1 to 8

Upper Bracket - #1,4,5,8
Lower Bracket - #2,3,6,7

3 weeks of games where you play every other squad in your bracket, top 2 from each bracket advance to the semifinals. Re-arrange the teams again from ranks 1 to 4.

Semifinals (3 rounds)
1 plays 4
2 plays 3

Winners in the finals (3 rounds)

What about this idea? It is pre-dominantly kthx's idea to adopt the World Cup of Soccer's style of seeding.

[Darkmoor]

well when I appealed our game I sent a ?help immediately (when I got home) so that would count as pming someone I would imagine, then they told me to use the email, then they ignored me for 4+ weeks.

You are lucky, they still ignore us.

[Epinephrine]

What about this idea? It is pre-dominantly kthx's idea to adopt the World Cup of Soccer's style of seeding.

What the heck..is that a plan for an entire season or playoffs? Looks WAYYY too complex for something that can be so simple. Either way you find out who the best team is, so just keep it simple stupid!

[Izor]

What the heck..is that a plan for an entire season or playoffs? Looks WAYYY too complex for something that can be so simple. Either way you find out who the best team is, so just keep it simple stupid!

Entire season. It isnt more complex. Only thing thats more complex is the seeding, which we currently do anyway (captains vote on it). It also eliminates the scheduling problems with 3 leagues leater on in the season since half the teeams drop out after week 6, and combined with the TWD part of this idea would make people try in TWD instead of be content to play their 15 games and go idle

[Cross]

I still dont understand this playoffs bracket.


Isnt the point of finishing #1 seed to have the "eziest" path to the finals? I mean why the hell would the #4 seed have the pleasure of playing the #8 team? Why would squads even stive for the #1 seed to play a team who is rated #5 instead of #8? I Dont get this concept at all. I think any real playoff bracket is #1v#8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5.

Cig, stop reading my mind and posting things i'm about to post :fear:

[MousE]

captains voting on it is stupid as we saw last league... why not do it by last leagues results :P

[Izor]

cause of squads that werent in last league