TWL and the desperate make over it needs.

[Witness]

Yeah im crazy,and a little tipsee.

Limit #of squads say 8 .
Max of 40 players (twl) (45twd) . yes up it! but just keep reading and you'll understand why.

The Top teams in all classes make it in twl. I mean add twdd,twjd,twbd,twsd points all into one, The squad with the most points is in.etc etc.. This would make squads recruit warbirds, javs, basers on to one squad. You wanna talk about drama there you go. Plus it might force players to play other ships hence improving overall competition.

What better way to prove which squad is the best?

[Doc Flabby]

the impression that i had gotten from star after talking to him after you guys talked forever was that these rules were pretty much set in stone without giving any players any input on it at all. that didn't make any sense to me.

my whole point was that the revised rules should be posted then revised appropiately based on the direct feedback to them.

I'd like to ensure everyone that this revision is in its preliminary process, this is NOT set in stone, and I am definitely going to present a draft to the public and take note of their comments. I've always liked public feedback and this is definitely not an issue that should be overlooked.

Once Stargazer and I get a nice draft of the rules, we'll put it in these forums so everyone can discuss things. After that we'll let the public review it.

I've copied this bit of the post from the long one hidden away in Staff Forums . Bascially I think everyone is agreeing with each other about how to carry this process out .

1. Draft created.
2. Reviewed internally for silly mistakes
3. Released to public to comment and suggest changes
4. Revised following those suggestions
5. Released again for final revisions (ideally should be none, but that won't happen)
6. Any final revisions made
7. Rules Instated.

thats how i understand it anyway. Correct me if i am wrong.

[Izor]

I still like the world cup type format for twl, since a lot of the losing squads have been dissolving anyway.

[pascone]

They hosted and they are TWL Ops, they do have an idea of the problems :P Let's not bash their efforts when they at least spent a good 4+ hours working on things with me. Dunno why you dont come to the other ops with your concerns instead of making them look dumb on here, at least they didnt go afk within 20 mins.

As I said in another thread, we are making lots of revisions and we have been covering a LOT of the issues everyone has brought up in these threads. Continue to keep adding your ideas, I definitely want public opinion, which is why I'm constantly reading these threads. Once everything is typed up and the other Ops have a chance to say their fill they will be posted for you all to read and criticize and complain and add your own feedback

the impression that i had gotten from star after talking to him after you guys talked forever was that these rules were pretty much set in stone without giving any players any input on it at all. that didn't make any sense to me.

my whole point was that the revised rules should be posted then revised appropiately based on the direct feedback to them.

[Zeebu]

We dont want any more specials :<
2 is enough, switches could be increased

specials make it interesting, but so does the new map

more switches would be fine provided something is in place that prevents sharks from switching to remove mines. thats the only switch that gives an advantage that shouldnt really be provided.

most of the suggestions are just fine. im still not convinced that squads who make semis should automatically get a bid the next season; but i guess its just me that has a problem rewarding inactivity.
i agree with the fewer squads in. also, reducing the twl roster.

[Scoop]

sigh..no I think you should still have to prove that you're good enough for twl that season too.

mantra and bram just know they wont qualify for anything without me this season.

[Dreamwin]

* increase amount of shipchanges allowed in twl (and twd)

We dont want any more specials :<
2 is enough, switches could be increased

[Soilderz]

* autoqualification if you reached playoff previous season. (or semis)

sigh..no I think you should still have to prove that you're good enough for twl that season too.

[Mantra-Slider]

* increase amount of shipchanges allowed in twl (and twd)
* increase amount of shipswitches allowed in twl (and twd)
* try new maps during offseason (like now in bd, yay for that) - in all leagues.
* make the twlj map same as the twjd map.
* autoqualification if you reached playoff previous season. (or semis)

[Salubrious]

Extreme Makeover: TWL Edition

[MirrorriM]

i know i will at least give my input on them. stargazer mentioned in another thread that there will likely be changes. i know i'd rather have the players input on it before we just take 3 people's opinions and make them the new rules, especially when two of the three don't play in twl? so, hopefully when the first draft of the revised rules are done, they will be posted for critique and proper adjustments can be made

They hosted and they are TWL Ops, they do have an idea of the problems :P Let's not bash their efforts when they at least spent a good 4+ hours working on things with me. Dunno why you dont come to the other ops with your concerns instead of making them look dumb on here, at least they didnt go afk within 20 mins.

As I said in another thread, we are making lots of revisions and we have been covering a LOT of the issues everyone has brought up in these threads. Continue to keep adding your ideas, I definitely want public opinion, which is why I'm constantly reading these threads. Once everything is typed up and the other Ops have a chance to say their fill they will be posted for you all to read and criticize and complain and add your own feedback

[Rule]

quit already pascone!

Rule for TWL op.

^ Hell no B)

eek, well, like i've said a bunch of times in the past, i didn't make every decision on my own, in fact, none of them were made exclusively by me. we all had equal say in the situations, it just so happens that i posted the news or commented on the situations so everyone assumed it was just me. if someone completely new wants to show up and do it all, i'll just sit back and play the twl op/advisor role, like neth did for me. the problem is, there doesn't seem to be much interest in twl staff, because really, there are only so many people needed. when you tell people their only purpose will be pretty much helping on appeals, their interest kinda fads fast... not that them seeing that if they did what i do, they become the most hated staffer.

until that happens, i am looking forward to the new season. it's hard to predict the various things that will happen in a season. all we can and have done was in the off seasons add rules to reflect problems of the previous year and make them as clear as possible. until i can see the future, it's hard to make extremely clear rules regarding unforeseen problems that may arise.

That is probably true about you taking the blunt of blame on things because your represent staff on whole in postings etc. Not an easy job. Good to hear that some consensus is made on decisions. I know a number of level headed types who do not think you personally are doing a good job - for different reasons. Personally I will never agree with a TWL op/cap getting a one day ban free for his player - even if the decision is not his and is in someone elses hands. I think that's probably why its best for high ranking staff to not be squad caps etc, though it has worked in some past cases. Things should not be biased or even appear biased - need firm rules made beforehand.
As a non staffer though, I don't know what's truly going on inside. I do think delegating authority and responsibility is always good though.


Sup Esc

[megaman89]

hi escy poo

[Escalate]

# of solid, dedicated twl players falling +
# of teams in league not shrinking fast enough =

quality go to shit.

hi rule

[Doc Flabby]

Ya more ideas are good.

There was a private 4 hour discussion between twl staff recently regarding the twl, what when wrong this season and how it could be better.

The bit at the end of your log, I didn't want to discuss anything, as i'm not sure what ideas from the meeting will make it to a draft proposal, basically I know as much as you as to what will happen next season. I've put in my random ideas for changes to the league, and rules, but its obviously up to twl staff to look at the ideas from everyone and decide whats the best way forward.

They will take these ideas present a draft to the public and then change it accordingly with the feedback

That is the plan anyway as I understand it.

Please if anyone has suggestions or things they think could have been done better in the next twl, make them.