TWL and the desperate make over it needs.

[Doc Flabby]

BUTT! the more and more i think about it!, Maybe its not the league at all, thats at fault, but maybe the way teams are qualified for twl. maybe the problem lies in twd.Hmm ways to fix it.

TWD really only shows a squads form. Because of the way the calculation works Pretty much the last 50 games are what determines your posisition in TWD, anything before then doesnt have any measurable effect. This may or may not be a bad thing, but it should be known

[Witness]

thats exactly what im telling you... forcing squads to do what they don't usually do will create far too many dropouts

look at hydra this season... they are a jav squad that got into LD also... they dropped out after like 4 games


no, forcing squads to do all 3 leagues is retarded and would create far more dropouts and far less competition

with only 9 totally league teams i dont see a problem with squads not having a competitive team. Think about it!! You know how many players you could recruit, once there's only 9 squads in twl..... And if they lose in twld , there not gonna leave roster cuz they might still have a chance to play in another league. so there squad isnt just gonna quit....And there are various ways of doing this, we could say take top 3 in all twd leagues rather then take the most total points of all 3 etc, that way it gives all 3 leagues a even chance.

exalt"that got into LD also..." maybe this is the problem, but they did it right. and got in, problems im assuming is they didnt have enuff players to play cuz there not all on sunday at 4pm. etc, and really didnt care about winning twld. or they didnt have enuff wbers, but if you had a roster of basers/javs/wb. but have a 3league squad means you would at least HAVE ENUFF PLAYERS that might even want to play, and wouldnt drop out like so many other squads did, and who knows we might even get to see a wbird playing base again, cuz 7 of the 20 basers showed up.
this is just an idea btw. and most likely wont happen, but at least i gave an idea.

Far better to allow captains the freedom to run there squad as they want, and enter whatever leagues they want (if you qualify on skill - not on roster size or any other shit you should be in TWL). That said, if you make a commitment to play a league, and you renage on it. We don't want you back next season.

Um thats kinda what we got now captains with freedom/skilled players. And as far as we dont want you back, hard to enforce, and maybe next season they are more then worthy. so players leave and join someother squad.
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Point I was Getting too.

BUTT! the more and more i think about it!, Maybe its not the league at all, thats at fault, but maybe the way teams are qualified for twl. maybe the problem lies in twd.Hmm ways to fix it.

[Nimrook]

UG was a terrible cap..

logged on once ever 2 weeks.. GOOD CAP THERE UG

[Creature]

Mantra, that's because I'm the best captain ever duh

Did you even log in to SS more than once a week?

AFK

[Nickname]

Just in regards to pascone saying that people don't want to be a 'part time twl staffer' and help out only on appeals, I really have to feel your wrong ont hat count. I'm sure there are PLENTY of good people who are willing to do that role, and who can remain unbiased in every way neccesary. I also believe you'd be able to get enough people that you would be able to avoid anyone who has anything to do with the appeal having a say -- which is often what looks bad. if it's team a vs team b and team b has a guy involved in the decision on the appeal, it just looks terrible.


and for the record before anybody comes out and says 'well if you say theres people then why don't you do it' to that I'd respond that I'd be willing to. I think i've proven i'm impartial, and I don't partake in TWL in the least, for at least 3 seasons now (asside from my all star adventures). So theres one, I bet I could find at least 20 others.

[Underground]

Agreed. Ignorant fucks stop bashing pascone because if he did actually quit we would have some newbie running twl.

Pascone is, indeed, a newbie though.

[Doc Flabby]

Personally I think there are too many people suggesting FORCING things.

We can't force anyone to do shit. The only thing that happens if you force things is people get pissed off and quit.

Lets have some creative solutions. Everything suggested so far seems to be about restricting shit even more than it is. We need to open the competition up, provide more options rather than restict more.

Far better to allow captains the freedom to run there squad as they want, and enter whatever leagues they want (if you qualify on skill - not on roster size or any other shit you should be in TWL). That said, if you make a commitment to play a league, and you renage on it. We don't want you back next season.

[Dabram]

i've tried that before, what typically happens is too many egos on one squad ruins it... hell, look at when disoblige and pallies tried to merge.. not really sure why it went down as i was on neither squad, i just know it didn't work

Bad example, had very little to do with too many egos, although we were rivals from the beginning, it was always on a friendly basis (at least to me). (And ex-Pallies players have always been welcome on Diso, same goes for ex A-S :P). Also we were both primary basing-squads (although became fairly good in other leagues). Thing was, Pallies (core) was inactive at the time, and they didn't feel like merging with a (rival)squad which would have a majority of like 75% of the roster would be a good idea.. Then just before TWL some more of their players returned and they gave Pallies another go.. I think everyone on Disoblige was just glad to see them all back in TWL.. TWL without Pallies will always lack entertainment.

But yeah, on topic, I don't think forcing squads to be 3-league squads is a good idea, there just don't seem to be as much basers (plus u need more) as javs, or as wbs.. there's always seemed to be more wbs around, and small WB-squads.. so ld would probably suffer from a decision like that.. and i don't really see what it's gonna bring to the table.. good javs won't join a wb-squad that makes lj a second priority.. so they can at most get bad javs to join.. who will just suck.. and then those wbs will end up playing a league they don't care about anyway..
Just inviting less squads would be more logical imo..?

[Doc Flabby]

I suggest this rule for next season.

Drop out of one league, you drop out of them all.

This will prevent squads entering a league they don't care about. TWL is an invitation, if you don't care about a league, dont accept it.

[HeavenSent]

Yeah, we should totally get rid of someone whos actually stuck around throughout the seasons to do his job fairly well. Because we all know there are TONS of others who are in the position to step in and will do as good of a job.

Agreed. There are others in the community THAT CAN do just as well if not better.... AND not abuse their position to favor their own squad.

It's typical of young adults in the work world to think there's no other person that can do their job just as well as they can.... so the boss is never going to get rid of them or (in thier mind) the business will suffer. Those with this kind of thinking eventually get a rude awakening.

[Scoop]

Yeah, we should totally get rid of someone whos actually stuck around throughout the seasons to do his job fairly well. Because we all know there are TONS of others who are in the position to step in and will do as good of a job.

Agreed. Ignorant fucks stop bashing pascone because if he did actually quit we would have some newbie running twl.

[HeavenSent]

One thing TWL needs is to replace pascone. Staff that show biased decisions to give their own squad a better advantage, shouldnt run TWL, or be in TW staff for that matter.

Yep!

[Exalt]

"but im saying you cant FORCE all twl squads to play all 3 leagues."
Why not? There needs to be a higher Standard for TWL squads, this isnt twd. We've been doing it this way for years. And the dropout of twl squads gets worse and worse. You cant tell me that a squad like stray, cant recruit some decent javs?

thats exactly what im telling you... forcing squads to do what they don't usually do will create far too many dropouts

look at hydra this season... they are a jav squad that got into LD also... they dropped out after like 4 games


no, forcing squads to do all 3 leagues is retarded and would create far more dropouts and far less competition

[kronic]

One thing TWL needs is to replace pascone. Staff that show biased decisions to give their own squad a better advantage, shouldnt run TWL, or be in TW staff for that matter.

[midoent]

fewer squads is a bad idea, unless we introduce premier and amateur league.

The problem is not that its too many squads and there not being enough players. Look at twlb, there was only one drop out and the whole league ran smoothly, maybe a little boring but smoothly nevertheless. And whole time there were what? 12 active squads in twbd? Oh and that given how some squads were stacking active players. And there are plenty jd and dd squads. Yet those leagues had a lot of dropouts. I think its all because of bad leadership like it was mentioned in the other thread. Its not because there arent enough people or something. And I dont think last season or season before was more competitive than this one. There will always be worse squads and better squads. But worse squads stick around sometimes and the longer they stick around the better they become.

I feel that if we limit number of squads it wont solve the problems. The first season with 8 squads would probably be interesting and competitive. Next season people will whine for 4 squads to be in twl. Limiting squads in twl will only shorten the zone lifetime. Think long-term, not what would be fun ATM.

Sorry if this post is circular im really tired right now.