TWL Update Thread

[Sirius]

true 5 or 6. Dice being 1 of them. And I was not asked - megaman89

ROFL are you kidding me? You weren't even asked? Wow, that just makes me wonder all the more who these '2-4 past TWL' squadcaptains were that said Yes to 10 squads considering I know I said no and I am one of those 2-4.

Aside from that, there's this point Mirrorrim makes that 'the top of the ladder asked for 10'. You do realize at the point you were asking, it wasn't even close to the end of qualifications, and even those 'top 8' squads would shuffle around and dissolve like 5 times over? Therfore it would be pointless to say 'they will be the ones playing blah blah'. Consider this - a squad like Deadly Divas plays Syne or something 10 times in a row and gets into 5th place temporarily while you go prowling the top 16 or w/e squads..of COURSE they will say yes because they know they won't last in top 5 for very long...and you call this an accurate means of voting?? And I know this happens because we played a weaker jav squad numerous times and it got us 5th in JD ladder pretty easily.

Not to mention Pascone just blew your logic out of the water...you asked 16 squad captains to vote...granted when the voting started the squad amount was 8...for that moment more than half of the squads you were asking were not going to get into TWL...that means over 50 % of the answers would be bias towards better chances of getting in whether the squads were in the top of the ladder or bottom at the time. And yes you could throw in the fallacy of "BUT WHEN I TOOK VOTES IT WAS THE OPPOSITE OF YOUR LOGIC!!!", but that doesn't somehow make the voting process fair or legitimate to have been considered in the first place.

And you're telling me all the 'lower' squads thought they weren't good enough for TWL and wouldn't want to be able to get in? Wow I never knew we had such humble-hearted charitable players amassed in this zone.

Sirius: you sure like to ignore all the facts, dont you. I asked top 16. I paid attention to the squads highest on the ladder. Even more attention to past TWLD squads. ... want a surprising fact? The squads lower on the ladder voted for 8, they thought they werent good enough. The squads highest on the ladder thought 10 was good. Since they are the ones actually playing against these 2 extra squads, I will pay attention to them. - Mirrorrim

I honestly am starting to lean towards thinking you are bullshitting at this point. Dice's cap mega wasn't asked it is verified now, even if there are 'other' dice caps that would be favoring towards certain caps if you only asked 'certain' captains on top squads and it's not even confirmed whether they were asked, and so far I havent heard of any 'past TWL caps' or 'Top ladder squads' saying they voted for 10. Either way, my initial paragraph up there to you underlines how 'top ladder squads' voting for it was flawed anyway.

[PjOtTeR]

The only reason I dislike javelins is because the only ones that are considered "good" are the players that abuse lag and the bug with rockets+repels. Against an evenly matched team, a warbird is mostly irrelevant, and so is a javelin that doesn't abuse the fuck out of lag. I'd ask to be named a "good" javelin that doesn't do this, but unfortunately, that's impossible.

In responce to that... can you name me a "good" spider that doesn't do that? unfortunately that is impossible aswell.
I hate when sharks get hit by 9 bullets without repping any of em, and still survive and are able to bomb. Those are also the "good" sharks....
I hate it when Terrs eat 129832109 of bullets and dont die or get a burst every other 5 seconds or get 8 portals in a minute, in conclusion that are also the "good" Terrs.

When I shark and sit still in a corner certain people I can just rep, while others shoot a bullet through my rep every other bullet, when I spider I can shoot through certain sharks reps every other bullet while others even seem to rep 3 bullets after a sharks rep has long worked out on my screen and every other person screen.

Sure javs use their lag just like every other ship and yes every person has lag. When someone rockets of a rep to create insane speed, it's also pretty obvious when to rep, so that shouldn't be a problem at all.
In other words I can name as much 'good' javs abusing lag as much as any other 'good' pilot. Starting with: C0ckthrobbing Queen

[Zeebu]

also for all you queers talking about 'youre not being forced to play it' 'its an option' well:

we are being forced to play this kind of basing (mirror just said it was put in BASE and TWBD)

and if its an option, why not put it in base2 or make some other league where players actually WILL have the option to play it or not. instead of forcing it on us and just throwing it out there with no details or anything. there was no warning to this change, it was literally done overnight without poll or MAJORITY public opinion. and if you did ask alot of people, who exactly? im getting the feeling many people who havent won an LB title in a long time (disoblige) were the ones asked.

rephrase it a little

you are not being forced to play a lineup with 2 ters.

you are being forced however to play against a lineup with 2 ters (if that squad chooses to)

thats it.


i also agree that the idea has been dumped on us rather late in the game, but at least we have some time now to see how it will affect us.

chances are squads will try it and for the most part, suck at it beyond starting with that extra burst.

i challenge everyone who is griping about the 2 ter option to first go try it once before arguing anymore. (i hope to this evening)


in my opinion, the only reason it will be terrible/useful in the short term is for the random extra bursts that will be flying around everywhere. it has the potential to create some additional strategy, but we dont have a whole lot of time to explore before twl starts (but at least we have some). what it definately will do is add some random chaos to flagroom fights. i would say those are usually chaotic enough and an extra burst from each squad will really just be annoying and bring a large luck/lag factor into it.

in the flagroom, a lucky burst can really equalize the playing field. that isnt always a good thing.

but just to say it again, id liek to at least see how it works first hand before i go apeshit over it. the rest of you should do the same.




concerning the 10 twld teams, i dont really have an opinion on it. i would say they probably werent needed, but i dont think it will completely ruin twl either. there will just be the probability that a couple more curbstomps will occur.

just keep in mind, at least its less than last twl's (which was 12 and pretty sad)

[Dwopple]

rephrase it a little

you are not being forced to play a lineup with 2 ters.

you are being forced however to play against a lineup with 2 ters (if that squad chooses to)

thats it.


i also agree that the idea has been dumped on us rather late in the game, but at least we have some time now to see how it will affect us.

chances are squads will try it and for the most part, suck at it beyond starting with that extra burst.

i challenge everyone who is griping about the 2 ter option to first go try it once before arguing anymore. (i hope to this evening)


in my opinion, the only reason it will be terrible/useful in the short term is for the random extra bursts that will be flying around everywhere. it has the potential to create some additional strategy, but we dont have a whole lot of time to explore before twl starts (but at least we have some). what it definately will do is add some random chaos to flagroom fights. i would say those are usually chaotic enough and an extra burst from each squad will really just be annoying and bring a large luck/lag factor into it.

in the flagroom, a lucky burst can really equalize the playing field. that isnt always a good thing.

but just to say it again, id liek to at least see how it works first hand before i go apeshit over it. the rest of you should do the same.




concerning the 10 twld teams, i dont really have an opinion on it. i would say they probably werent needed, but i dont think it will completely ruin twl either. there will just be the probability that a couple more curbstomps will occur.

just keep in mind, at least its less than last twl's (which was 12 and pretty sad)

most of the counter arguments about why to keep it are about options are they not?

well the majority of people dont want 2 terrs, yet we are still FORCED to play against it....thats not an option....

youre right we arent forced to use it, but we are forced to play against it, thats still changing the entire style of playing...i dont see any options about it for the people who dont want to bullshit around and play a team with 2 terrs..

[Jeenyuss]

this is turning into a circlejerk. nobody's getting anywhere and there's no convincing either side.

[Sirius]

Dwopple...first off you aren't forced to play against it unless the other team CHOOSES to do it...

Secondly, if nobody likes the idea, why would anyone choose it on your team or the enemies team...

THIRD.....if it's already being seen as a big failure for numerous reasons especially because of no time to practice it yada yada...wouldn't that just make it all that much easier to play against with your tried and true method team that you will still use as you aren't 'forced' to you two terrs?

I think that about sums that matter up

[HateTheFake]

Dwopple...first off you aren't forced to play against it unless the other team CHOOSES to do it...

Secondly, if nobody likes the idea, why would anyone choose it on your team or the enemies team...

THIRD.....if it's already being seen as a big failure for numerous reasons especially because of no time to practice it yada yada...wouldn't that just make it all that much easier to play against with your tried and true method team that you will still use as you aren't 'forced' to you two terrs?

I think that about sums that matter up

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[Dwopple]

Dwopple...first off you aren't forced to play against it unless the other team CHOOSES to do it...

Secondly, if nobody likes the idea, why would anyone choose it on your team or the enemies team...

THIRD.....if it's already being seen as a big failure for numerous reasons especially because of no time to practice it yada yada...wouldn't that just make it all that much easier to play against with your tried and true method team that you will still use as you aren't 'forced' to you two terrs?

I think that about sums that matter up

zzz its just going to be a huge cluster fuck in the smallest flagroom eveerrrr, if you fucking read my posts, youll see that i have said the current map is not adequate to support 4 terrs in the flagroom at one time, if we had time to work this out then it would be a good idea....read before you post moron

edit: people wonder why i keep repeating myself in my posts...its because of people like sirius who dont read before they post

[megaman89]

In responce to that... can you name me a "good" spider that doesn't do that? unfortunately that is impossible aswell.

I play with 30 ms and 0.0 0.0 so yes I can

[Sirius]

Knowing full well what a little kid Dwopple is despite playing this for years (guess not all people mature over time or he started playing at the age of 8), I expected a poorly slopped together retort of that caliber complete with namecalling and the like, so this will be easy to respond to -

if you fucking read my posts, youll see that i have said the current map is not adequate to support 4 terrs in the flagroom at one time, if we had time to work this out then it would be a good idea....read before you post moron - Dwopple

I think it's more than obvious that the reason I purposefully ignored your rant about '4 terrs in one crammed room' is because you made it obvious your team wouldn't be using 2 terrs, hence there wouldn't be 4 in the flagroom, even if the other side DID decide to use it for whatever crazed reason.

Besides, it still doesn't take away from the idea that if the '2 terr' idea is considered a failure, your 1 terr lineup will still overcome them, even if there's that potential for one whole more burst. And if that one burst does make it that much more powerful of a line or whatnot, then how is 2 terrs a failure ? (Assuming that the ridiculous point you will try to reply to me with)

[HateTheFake]

Knowing full well what a little kid Dwopple is despite playing this for years (guess not all people mature over time or he started playing at the age of 8), I expected a poorly slopped together retort of that caliber complete with namecalling and the like, so this will be easy to respond to -

if you fucking read my posts, youll see that i have said the current map is not adequate to support 4 terrs in the flagroom at one time, if we had time to work this out then it would be a good idea....read before you post moron - Dwopple

I think it's more than obvious that the reason I purposefully ignored your rant about '4 terrs in one crammed room' is because you made it obvious your team wouldn't be using 2 terrs, hence there wouldn't be 4 in the flagroom, even if the other side DID decide to use it for whatever crazed reason.

Besides, it still doesn't take away from the idea that if the '2 terr' idea is considered a failure, your 1 terr lineup will still overcome them, even if there's that potential for one whole more burst. And if that one burst does make it that much more powerful of a line or whatnot, then how is 2 terrs a failure ? (Assuming that the ridiculous point you will try to reply to me with)

so 1 + 2 = 3?

oooo

[Dwopple]

Knowing full well what a little kid Dwopple is despite playing this for years (guess not all people mature over time or he started playing at the age of 8), I expected a poorly slopped together retort of that caliber complete with namecalling and the like, so this will be easy to respond to -

if you fucking read my posts, youll see that i have said the current map is not adequate to support 4 terrs in the flagroom at one time, if we had time to work this out then it would be a good idea....read before you post moron - Dwopple

I think it's more than obvious that the reason I purposefully ignored your rant about '4 terrs in one crammed room' is because you made it obvious your team wouldn't be using 2 terrs, hence there wouldn't be 4 in the flagroom, even if the other side DID decide to use it for whatever crazed reason.

Besides, it still doesn't take away from the idea that if the '2 terr' idea is considered a failure, your 1 terr lineup will still overcome them, even if there's that potential for one whole more burst. And if that one burst does make it that much more powerful of a line or whatnot, then how is 2 terrs a failure ? (Assuming that the ridiculous point you will try to reply to me with)

youre right about we wont use the 2 terr, therefore there is a possibility of 3 terrs in the games that i participate in....that doesnt change anything for base tho...there is still a 4 terr possibility there, especially with everyone who likes to dick around as captain.

the fact is, its not an option and it is forced upon teams who dont want to use it/or play against it if it affects gameplay.

this might be a stupid analogy, but take cars for example, all cars dont come with window tint on them because some people dont like it, but you have the option to get window tint put on your windows, no one freaks out about it because it doesnt AFFECT the people who dont want tint. really stupid analogy, but do you see what im getting at?

yaaay whoopdie doo for everyone who supports 4 terrs, but for the majority (what im getting from this thread) of people who dont want 4 terrs, they are being forced to play against it.


edit: also sirius if you cant handle being called a moron, change your diaper

[Nickname]

plenty of good javelins that don't lag, not as many as there used to be, but what do you expect when it's been five spiders for how long now? 3 or 4 seasons?

[Stabwound]

Name one.

[HateTheFake]

youre right about we wont use the 2 terr, therefore there is a possibility of 3 terrs in the games that i participate in....that doesnt change anything for base tho...there is still a 4 terr possibility there, especially with everyone who likes to dick around as captain.

the fact is, its not an option and it is forced upon teams who dont want to use it/or play against it if it affects gameplay.

this might be a stupid analogy, but take cars for example, all cars dont come with window tint on them because some people dont like it, but you have the option to get window tint put on your windows, no one freaks out about it because it doesnt AFFECT the people who dont want tint. really stupid analogy, but do you see what im getting at?

yaaay whoopdie doo for everyone who supports 4 terrs, but for the majority (what im getting from this thread) of people who dont want 4 terrs, they are being forced to play against it.


edit: also sirius if you cant handle being called a moron, change your diaper

maybe thats why when buying a car you can choose to buy one with or without tint.