TWL Week 1 : Hot or Not

[fLaReD]

hey wang

[Exalt]

If lag limits are just fine then I shouldn't have been specced in the TWL game. Being a lagger is one thing that has never been said about me, because I always make sure I get the best connection possible. I do understand that 90% of the community lacks the insight to do anything just because they have no problems themselves. Both me and Venomarse was completely caught offguard by the lagouts, and that played a big part in the final score in our LD (Sake played well, it would be very hard to win anyway, but we'd do much better if it wasn't for those lagouts). Like paska pointed out, the difference in the spike limit between TWD and TWL should not have such a huge impact on TWL games as it currently has. If you're not going to change the limit, then reduce it on TWD as well. Atleast then we can see who can play TWL or not. Right now it doesn't matter to me if you remove my possibility of playing TWD either.

I challenge anyone who supports this 15ms average lag spike limit to explain what this exactly means, and why 15 is the ideal limit. If you have some technical insight on how this is ideal, then please share that with us so we can end this discussion.

I saw your entire game... the outcome would not have changed one bit beside maybe a kill or two on disobliges part, or an extra kill on sakes part for killing you and taking deaths instead of you getting +1s for them... but the outcome would not have changed, you got outclassed in every way possible... lag outs are not the issue for disoblige in regards to winning games

Edit: also, your playerbase is full of laggots and thats your problem, you knew from the get go that most of the players you have in your lineup eat nonstop and generally lag like shit... TWD has a lower lag limit true, but that doesn't make it any better.... go ahead and make it stricter on TWD i hope you do, that way you won't see players like brokenfist ever again until they decide to upgrade their modem and/or stop pulling the plug...

if you want to not lag out then find players that aren't so laggy... which your squad relies on because your offseason pickups consist of well known laggots like brokenfist, you obviously cannot beat the system anymore and are crying about it now

Also, a 300 ms player CAN play in TWL easily. I did it for years with 56k, as did the rest of us when server was in Finland. Your problem is lag spikes, which usually occur because of things like downloading porn, spyware, pulling the plug, etc etc. If you have steady ploss but have high MS you can still play TWL. Stop arguing a lost cause and find players that don't lag cheat.

[Noah]

I saw your entire game... the outcome would not have changed one bit beside maybe a kill or two on disobliges part, or an extra kill on sakes part for killing you and taking deaths instead of you getting +1s for them... but the outcome would not have changed, you got outclassed in every way possible... lag outs are not the issue for disoblige in regards to winning games

I like how you contradict yourself there. You claim to have seen the entire match, and that you saw that my lagouts led to +1s. I never got a +1, which you can see if you look up the game. When you prove that you didn't really pay attention to the game I can't give a fuck what you say about our warbirds.

Edit: also, your playerbase is full of laggots and thats your problem, you knew from the get go that most of the players you have in your lineup eat nonstop and generally lag like shit... TWD has a lower lag limit true, but that doesn't make it any better.... go ahead and make it stricter on TWD i hope you do, that way you won't see players like brokenfist ever again until they decide to upgrade their modem and/or stop pulling the plug...

When BrokenFist manages to stay in because he has a stable, but laggy connection in TWL, he'll stay in TWD if you lower the limits. This proves that this limit isn't working, and that you again don't really know what the fuck you are talking about.

if you want to not lag out then find players that aren't so laggy... which your squad relies on because your offseason pickups consist of well known laggots like brokenfist, you obviously cannot beat the system anymore and are crying about it now

Did you know that we are an European squad, and because of that most of our members sadly lives very far away from the server. You can't blame us for living far away from you, and you can't blame us for the natural increase in lag due to the distance. If you want to accuse us of recruiting laggy players on purpose, I'll let that rest on its own unreasonability, because that's just another nobody screaming "lag lag".

Also, a 300 ms player CAN play in TWL easily. I did it for years with 56k, as did the rest of us when server was in Finland. Your problem is lag spikes, which usually occur because of things like downloading porn, spyware, pulling the plug, etc etc. If you have steady ploss but have high MS you can still play TWL. Stop arguing a lost cause and find players that don't lag cheat.

Again, as the point you see in players like Daldur, they lag alot visually but they stay within the limits. If you had 300ms you would probably be one of them. The case here is that this limits doesn't take out those it should, but it affects those who shouldn't be lagged out. My 25ms average lag spike isn't automatically a visual lag and a advantage/disadvantage for me. The only ones that tells me I lag are those like yourself who shouts "noob" and "laggot" at everyone else.

[paradise!]

word on the streets says daldur has 2 kangaroos play his lb matchs, while he himself relays his computers internet packets to and from.

[Cig Smoke]

Dwopple
LOLZ

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: N/A
Squad: dicE

yo dwop change ur squad u fuk dont want some kinda misrep on dice bc of this shit..

[Exalt]

I like how you contradict yourself there. You claim to have seen the entire match, and that you saw that my lagouts led to +1s. I never got a +1, which you can see if you look up the game. When you prove that you didn't really pay attention to the game I can't give a fuck what you say about our warbirds.

I did see the entire match, as did Weak. We wrote the HoN section about sake vs disoblige game. You did not +1, I said that as a general statement... displaced had +1s, its the same thing, neither of you would have changed the game enough to win it, you have bad players on your squad

When BrokenFist manages to stay in because he has a stable, but laggy connection in TWL, he'll stay in TWD if you lower the limits. This proves that this limit isn't working, and that you again don't really know what the fuck you are talking about.

Brokenfist actually lags out alot in TWD games already, he just managed to stabalize his lag for once for TWL, which was pretty fishy... apparently when there are mods watching him his lag is stable and he does not eat, and when mods are not watching him he is not stable and eats nonstop... but of course your squad isn't smart enough to notice things like that

Did you know that we are an European squad, and because of that most of our members sadly lives very far away from the server. You can't blame us for living far away from you, and you can't blame us for the natural increase in lag due to the distance. If you want to accuse us of recruiting laggy players on purpose, I'll let that rest on its own unreasonability, because that's just another nobody screaming "lag lag".

Actually I CAN blame you for natural lag because of the distance, because all of us Western Hemisphere players had to deal with the same things when server was in Finland. We didn't lag out. You do. Fix your connection and stop pulling the plug.

Again, as the point you see in players like Daldur, they lag alot visually but they stay within the limits. If you had 300ms you would probably be one of them. The case here is that this limits doesn't take out those it should, but it affects those who shouldn't be lagged out. My 25ms average lag spike isn't automatically a visual lag and a advantage/disadvantage for me. The only ones that tells me I lag are those like yourself who shouts "noob" and "laggot" at everyone else.

Actually the ones that tell you that you lag are the ones that know what to look for, since players like me had to deal with it for years when server was in Finland. A lot of times I could not play due to lag actually. If you notice your lag sucks, don't play. Simple. Crying that the lag limits should all be less strict is retarded, because TWL would turn into a lag fest then. I suppose that's exactly what you want, however.

[PH]

Dwopple
LOLZ

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: N/A
Squad: dicE

yo dwop change ur squad u fuk dont want some kinda misrep on dice bc of this shit..

yeah dwopple, stop dragging dice's name through the mud. downfall is already doing a fine job of that.

[Da1andonly]

People seem to have forgotten that the connections have been improved by quite a bit since the days of when the server was in Finland.

[Dwopple]

yeah dwopple, stop dragging dice's name through the mud. downfall is already doing a fine job of that.

LOL

[PjOtTeR]

I did see the entire match, as did Weak. We wrote the HoN section about sake vs disoblige game. You did not +1, I said that as a general statement... displaced had +1s, its the same thing, neither of you would have changed the game enough to win it, you have bad players on your squad

Might be so, but the only thing he said that it would've been closer if we didn't have so many lagouts.

Brokenfist actually lags out alot in TWD games already, he just managed to stabalize his lag for once for TWL, which was pretty fishy... apparently when there are mods watching him his lag is stable and he does not eat, and when mods are not watching him he is not stable and eats nonstop... but of course your squad isn't smart enough to notice things like that

BF doesn't lag out a lot in TWD games... what I've seen from him in TWL, he still had spike and ate shots, so hmmm that really is out of the question.

Actually I CAN blame you for natural lag because of the distance, because all of us Western Hemisphere players had to deal with the same things when server was in Finland. We didn't lag out. You do. Fix your connection and stop pulling the plug.

This is just a blunt statement that shows what kind of retard you are.
The reason you could stay in was that the laglimits weren't even close to as strict as they are now. Just a minor natural spike in connection can make you get specced now which is ridiculous, because honestly I couldn't and cannot notice the difference between a 5 ms spike med. or a 25 ms spike med. A guy like Might doesn't lag to me at all, while guys like dald, stayon and brokenfist for example do. So really limiting this spike med isn't helping since that is not the only thing that causes visible lag... And it isn't lag that we want riddance of, but lag that disrupts the game in a bad way, it isn't lag itself we do not want in, it is lag that shows eats, late bombs and bad spikes.

Actually the ones that tell you that you lag are the ones that know what to look for, since players like me had to deal with it for years when server was in Finland. A lot of times I could not play due to lag actually. If you notice your lag sucks, don't play. Simple. Crying that the lag limits should all be less strict is retarded, because TWL would turn into a lag fest then. I suppose that's exactly what you want, however.

TWL has been a lagfest the last couple of years and the guys that won visibly ate the most and spiked the worst. So yes I do think TWL hasn't been about just skill the past seasons, it has been about lagging more a lot aswell, or I should word this better: using your lag to your advantage most. However the last few years there is a trend of people starting to lag more because they realise they could use it to their advantage and that is something we do not want. A high ms is noticable just like a spike, and a spike of 25 ms is hardly noticable... But I have to go drink beer till I have to crawl home now so please do not respond if you do not have a brain.

[Kawrae]

People seem to have forgotten that the connections have been improved by quite a bit since the days of when the server was in Finland.

Yeah, at those times ppl had like 512kb or 1M connection. Now i'm looking at huge numbers between 24M and 110M. I think staff should be allowed (dunno if they are) to remove players from game if they see spiking, lots of eating, invisible bombs, ect. Sometimes it happens to everyone but if it continues and affects the game.

[Capital Knockers]

yo Exalt - you never responded to any of my awesome points and explainations. I know you love the bird, and I do too - but go easy on the Euro basers. They're a pretty chill bunch of people. Are you saying that when I win games in base and such it's because of lag? I like to think all the time I put into sharking might actually have some positive results.

[Noah]

I think it's funny how Americans in general (not everyone, but a majority) seems to think that this is an American game. When the server was in Europe "we" were still the evil laggots, despite the fact that we were the ones with a low ping to the server. Back in those days there weren't any strict lag limits, everyone in the world got to play. Even though Priitk created this game, the game isn't European. There has been contributions from the entire world to this game from the start, and because of that no continent can claim any form of superiority. When the server got moved to USA the limits got stricter, and suddenly you shouldn't be allowed to play TWL anymore because the server got moved far away.

You complain about lag either way, when you had the bad ping, we were the ones that destroyed the game with our lag. When the roles got reversed and we were the ones with a bad ping you throw in automatic bot filters, and we are still blamed even though it's the exact opposite as it used to be.

[kthx]

I figured you socialists would be happy to suffer for the good of the game by not playing TWL because you are too far from the server.

[Doc Flabby]

Yeah, at those times ppl had like 512kb or 1M connection. Now i'm looking at huge numbers between 24M and 110M. I think staff should be allowed (dunno if they are) to remove players from game if they see spiking, lots of eating, invisible bombs, ect. Sometimes it happens to everyone but if it continues and affects the game.

Unfortunatly they also invented "Traffic Shaping" and as Continuum uses an encrypted protocol...some stupid isps don't like it...they think it might be a way of sharing files.... It also enables them to sell you a 24Mb connection but in reality its impossible to use more than 1-2Mb to save them money...most people dont notice the con that is being done to them!

I acctually had to change ISP to continue to play this game, because my previous ISP was "shaping" continuum so much i was getting contant 5% ploss and high ping on a 8Mb conntaction. The best thing was they blamed it on me/my phone line/my modem, basically just lying to me. Exactly Same setup with a new ISP and "surprisingly" everything is great...but i'm lucky i have the choice...not all areas do.