TWL Week 2 Delayed

[Server]

Good call epi and pusher. Bots and site isnt what they should be. Just work hard so those will be ready for the weekend you said the matches will be after delay, so it wont be like last weekend (or another delay) gj tho.

[stuckup]

When will the Web site be fully up and running?

[Dabram]

Originally posted by stuckup
When will the Web site be fully up and running?

when the problems are solved.. -_-

[Mayo Inc.]

weren't there like a million people saying "we don't care about the website"?? This should have been taken care of before any games were played, but lots of people were complaining for the start of twl.

not that i care, another week doesnt bug me

[CommanderEnder]

Originally posted by CyloR
Yes, it's not just that the bots weren't working, which cause problems this weekend. Or how Epi and Push will both be gone next weekend. Or because next weekend is Mother's Day. Or because next weekend is a Canadian Holiday. Or...wait...

You know what? It's easier to just call you stupid.

Don't be an ass. Thanks.

[Project]

All I'm saying is that we should have learned from last year. People generally don't like delays! If you gave us a DATE as to when it WOULD start, then people wouldn't have bitched about getting it started. And I did ask for this theoretical date in 3 different posts. Its Week 1 and already we've had 2 weeks of delays? Please. I understand its necessary to get everything work, but it should have worked in the first place.

[General Malaise]

Originally posted by Project
All I'm saying is that we should have learned from last year. People generally don't like delays! If you gave us a DATE as to when it WOULD start, then people wouldn't have bitched about getting it started. And I did ask for this theoretical date in 3 different posts. Its Week 1 and already we've had 2 weeks of delays? Please. I understand its necessary to get everything work, but it should have worked in the first place.

I'm of the "if you don't like the way this free, fun service is being run, feel free to fuck off" camp. For the amount of time Epi and Push (and others) put in to get the leagues and the site up and running, and the amount of shit they have to put up with on a daily basis from people who like to bitch about how it's being done, I'm amazed that there's leagues at all, let alone leagues that are run anywhere near as well as they were last week. A delay to make the whole thing better is not grounds for you to start bitching.

Edit: not singling out Project as the worst offender, he's just the last one I read.

[Ruby]

In Project's defense, and if you read his post with some insight, I am 100% sure Project is glad that Epi and PUSHER are doing a great job. I agree with Project 100%. It's free yes (to be truthful it really isn't free, some people have donated to the cause already), but when you announce a date to commence a League in a game with several thousands of different players anticipating it- you shouldn't play the 1st week, and then delay it for 2 weeks. That's almost as bad as letting someone preview Matrix 2: Reloaded as one of the first showings in the world, and then cutting the movie off after 20 minutes and saying the rest will be shown in 2 weeks.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Yeah, but if they don't delay it, and problems persist, there will be a whole other group of people bitching because Matchbot died (or any other slew of website/game-related problems). As much as I don't like the season being delayed, I also understand that getting things done right takes time--especially when you don't have the capability to work on it full time. Give them a little bit of a break, and you'll be able to shoot spaceships again in no time.

[bloodzombie]

If I was push and epi, I'd delay it another extra week so they can take their time making sure everything's done right.. and in the proces, you'd give a big "fuck you" to the haters.


ps. fuck you, haters.

[Facetious]

Push/Epi don't/didn't know when leagues would be ready to start. It's not like they're working 8-hour days on TWL, and the only variables in the situation are programming/logistics variables. If Push or Epi tells you that (whatever) will be ready in a week, and then an old girlfriend that wants to fuck one of their brains out all week shows up in town, or some guy shows up and says, "Want to go smoke a blunt?", or whatever, Push/Epi are not going to put that shit off so that they can meet some deadline they made for Subspace. Would you? No.

So, the point is, A) in this situation, they thought everything was ready, and they were wrong. What do you want to do? Would you have wanted three weeks of pre-season? Can you imagine how much shit they would have gotten if there had been three weeks of smoothly-running preseason? Everyone would have wanted the real deal to start. and B) Making a deadline for a huge task creates stress in someone's life, and to expect either Push or Epi to do that just strikes me as kind of unreasonable.

[Divine Rides]

still, everytime something went wrong last season we were told it was the guinea pig season and everything was supposed to be worked out for this season, I don't want to be told that my frustration is out of place, it's become a situation where you can't count on anything to be on time or working properly.

[Ruby]

True Divine.

I'm not "hating" bz..

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Facetious
Push/Epi don't/didn't know when leagues would be ready to start. It's not like they're working 8-hour days on TWL, and the only variables in the situation are programming/logistics variables. If Push or Epi tells you that (whatever) will be ready in a week, and then an old girlfriend that wants to fuck one of their brains out all week shows up in town, or some guy shows up and says, "Want to go smoke a blunt?", or whatever, Push/Epi are not going to put that shit off so that they can meet some deadline they made for Subspace. Would you? No.

So, the point is, A) in this situation, they thought everything was ready, and they were wrong. What do you want to do? Would you have wanted three weeks of pre-season? Can you imagine how much shit they would have gotten if there had been three weeks of smoothly-running preseason? Everyone would have wanted the real deal to start. and B) Making a deadline for a huge task creates stress in someone's life, and to expect either Push or Epi to do that just strikes me as kind of unreasonable.

That's pathetic man, I could run a League without a problem. I have 2 jobs, a wife, and I could still find plenty of time for it (as I do already find time for SS). I'll tell you exactly what happened. Everyone was anxious for TWL to start, so they rushed in and started the pre-season (not to mention it was delayed a week). This didn't accomplish much, as we didn't even use the bots for this. The website wasn't even close to ready, as castromarx procrastinated a crapload once strike gave him the website design format 2 weeks for pre-season was even announced, and 2d was still working on the bots. The next week they let the 1st round commence with the bots working decently, and the website only allowing people to predict matches and schedule games. That's what happened. Here is where we are at.

Fact is, things take time, if you let people rush you into decisions, you'll get backed up. Be ready for things before hand people, that is the way this crazy world spins around. Hurry up and wait is a good motto to live by.

Just in case you're wondering, I ain't a hater. I appreciate all the work Epi and crew has done. I just know that this could have all been avoided with some well spent time and pre-planning (which I know they did a lot of that too).

[arrogance]

Originally posted by Ruby
The website wasn't even close to ready, as castromarx procrastinated a crapload once strike gave him the website design format 2 weeks for pre-season was even announced, and 2d was still working on the bots.

The way I hear the story castro gave them a date he could have the site ready following his exams and moving back home when he'd actually have the time to finish it. TWL Ops acknowledged and agreed on the date, then went ahead and announced the beginning of TWL *2* weeks early. The site was ready when it was supposed to be, as I recall.