LB teams crisis

[Pressure Drop]

a few weeks later and 3 of those squads have folded and a couple have tried and failed in their stead

penetrate --- basing squad A
pandora --- basing squad B
dice --- going to win
lego --- dead
sweet --- beaten out of basing
sage --- officially on 'hiatus' in reality unlikely to return ?
freebie --- struggling for activity in bd a bit it seems
trauma positive --- EG squad some show potential and enthusiasm but lack depth of sharks at TWD level let alone TWL

Basing shoots itself in the foot when all the basers congregate onto 3 squads then whine that there is no competition. Hell a couple of days ago Pandora had 2 simultaneous BD's. i'm not gettting at them in particular as that is just the way it happens ... sometimes you cant bd cuase everyone is afk and sometimes 12 ppl show up.

Ultimately though there should be another proper basing squad thats competitive. At the moment dice have over 8:1 win ratio and a 19 current winning streak but haven't bd'ed in 4 days , then there is pandora and pene with vast rosters ... right now the league isn't as healthy as it could be and i say that knowing that it's fadeing as TW population dries up

quite frankly i'm not surprised it's like this as there is too many ego's that think they are hot shit and demand to win so running a squad is very hard work and thus you kinda have the cream of the crop dice and basing squad A vs basing squad B and virtually everyone else doomed to beat downs and failures due to a gulf in the depth of talent on the rosters. It's also hard to break through at all for any new comers and ?go base isn't running much for them to get some practice in, and learning shark or terr vs a superior team is hard and quite demoralising for most.

a couple of ppl asked me about starting up and capping a squad and i said i'd need about 20 active ppl that wont quit if they lose some games for me to consider it :P it's true enough and i know never going to happen given the current BD climate but anything other than that is amost a total waste of efforts

[glavitik]

PD 4 prez

[sixtoo]

id like to see whiterabbits re assemble and take twlb

[Stabwound]

There are only 4 squads with rating > 1000...

There is most likely going to be a roster cap in TWD after this upcoming TWL season ends, and it's going to be something like 25. The TWL roster cap of 35 was put into place when we had more than double the average players online than we do now, so it only makes sense that it should be lowered, anyway.

What this game really needs, though, is an injection of brand new players. It's kind of frustrating to think about how even getting 200 more people online during the afternoons would mean 3-4 more active squads.

[Burnt]

There are only 4 squads with rating > 1000...

There is most likely going to be a roster cap in TWD after this upcoming TWL season ends, and it's going to be something like 25. The TWL roster cap of 35 was put into place when we had more than double the average players online than we do now, so it only makes sense that it should be lowered, anyway.

What this game really needs, though, is an injection of brand new players. It's kind of frustrating to think about how even getting 200 more people online during the afternoons would mean 3-4 more active squads.

So you'll make most squads axe all their inactive players, and since there inactive they probably won't make their own squads, nor will any active squad want to waste their roster spots on inactive players, so they will have no squad at all and they'll just stop logging in at all and this will increase zone activity how? It will also make it less likely for inactive players to get active again if they have no squad to come back to. And with 25 people, basing squads will have a difficult time having enough on at one time to be active. So instead of having like 5 active BD squads you'll have none.

35 is a reasonable roster limit in TWL if you play all 3 leagues, so u either need to keep that or have separate rosters for each league or have different roster limits depending on how many leagues a squad plays.

[kthx]

Sigh, I actually agree with Burnt.

I know staff is trying to work within the confines of a dying populace but the effort should be put into bringing in more population instead of fucking with things and making people stop logging in.

Whatever happened to that huge advertisement campaign that was being tossed around a month ago?

[Veloce]

I think that roster should allow for inactive players with some rule or restriction on players on this list, much like a reserve in other sports, then a lower active roster cap should be implemented. Why? well we all remember back when diso was complaining that they couldn't bring their roster down because they have so many core but inactive members that belong on roster (GO FIGURE THEY ALL JOINED OTHER SQUADS NOW). Penetrate is no different, we have many people that won't be getting axed from roster despite their afk for 2-3 years now status, for the same reason.

Pressure d touched on this and I just want to reiterate it - twbd is super competitive right now and you really can't play a twbd match, unless its against trauma+, without having to play a top line to win the game. And my hat goes off for trauma+ to sticking with it despite facing squads that have been shitting on them with specials. Trauma+ is a lot better now but new players to continuum in general aren't gonna stick around for that, and I'd imagine that the only reason trauma+ did is cause EG numbers are dwindling and they are looking to continue playing the game. Now what to do about it....

[kthx]

There are a couple of problems.

1. You force basing on the populace so if and when they ever leave the pub they branch out to newer divisions.
2. Basers are about the equivalent of Hockey Zoner's when it comes to inviting new players into their ranks.
3. The current "new" playerbase is literally retarded and I am sure that even if you do advertise it won't help because you will get more retarded players who are also immersed in Evony and every other flash banner click to play for free now retarded mmorpg out there.
4. Having bots warping people places in pub so that they never have to do any work themselves makes them invalids and basically useless for anything besides public arenas.
5. No good players actively watch public arenas for people who aren't morons and try to get them out of the stagnant public arenas before they quit.
6. Hiring staffers who can't spell or use proper grammar probably scares away the rest of the intelligent population who do decide to play. (Allow playir 2 come event, I host 4 u in ?go hunt - SouthernGal <ER>)
7. All of the good basers congregate in the "pure pub" arena when there isn't basing going on and it forces the crappy pub newbies to quit the game because they keep getting owned, and the other unlucky few get tossed in a shitty second public arena with 10 afk people, five bots, and two people trying to cloak each other in the base.
8. You catered to every last fucking whim to all the whiners and complainers from ?go base who play pub 10 minutes a day and got rid of levi's instead of telling them the same thing that taught people how to handle shit themselves, you fucked over leviterrs and caved to the demand of this whining group instead of just letting them get in a spider with antiwarp or a warbird and kill the levterr.

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Solution: Undo everything you have done for public arenas in the last five years, kill the second pub and remove the arena limit from the first pub, get a larger base, don't use autowarp or bots to force people to do shit, allow leviterring and make people take care of their own fucking problems like the generation who currently is in top in TW had to do. Don't force people to base if they don't want to. And give a few good basers who are active privileges in ?go #mythrandir and keep a bot in there so they can invite promising newbies into games that they can learn in without the eliteness of ?go base, in turn that will get new players into the basing community, give them a better example of how to act properly, make them less useless, and get them immersed in the social aspects of the game by talking to other intelligent people that have gotten all of us addicted.

[Jerome Scuggs]

two words:

juice

[Pressure]

I think we should start talking to other zones about inter-league tourneys, perhaps to raise awareness that TW is a pretty universal zone to Continuum players and most can adapt relatively quickly. Look at trauma, and other squads from DSB in the past. If we bring full squads over from other zones that will increase activity dramatically. We could also go over there a bit, to show our support for their dying zones. EG was fun the last time I played it competitively.

[the_paul]

Do what kthx said

[Spikester]

maybe people should try recruiting players from pub, bringing them to twbd games. since ?go base isn't running anymore. its how we recruited some people to sage, introducing them to the game of basing. why is it hard for people to do this?

[curse]

cuzz noone likes pub noobs

[Pressure Drop]

maybe people should try recruiting players from pub, bringing them to twbd games. since ?go base isn't running anymore. its how we recruited some people to sage, introducing them to the game of basing. why is it hard for people to do this?

o_O

i dont think any squad is actively doing this and i think of anyone in sage that comes from pub or was brought through. Penetrate had the best record for this over the last few years dunno if their priorities have changed now jeen isn't at the helm. we should all encourage this but ideally the better squads that can afford to play weaker lines vs the other squads that should be taking some totally new ppl on board and showing them the ropes.

but pub isn't an inexhaustible resource and alot are aliasers and more not interested in joining squads or wouldn't get any real playing time.

[Vehicle]

Cap the rosters and if the inactive people get axed and don't come back, what difference does it make? You're basically saying that these people with 'permanently afk statuses for 2-3 years' are currently promoting activity?

If the cap is as low as Stab suggests it could be, 25, I would think a few new squads would definitely form. The population is there. Old squads often reform intermittently and take back their old players from existing squads and TWD activity certainly doesn't go down.

A roster limit makes sense because of the simple fact that the big squads are just getting bigger with very few new teams. The result is that there is little place for new, skilled players to go which in the end negatively affects TWD activity and competitiveness.