Spiders

[ZeUs!!]

Theres an alarming amount of people who judge a spider by its ratio or amount of kills it gets... STOP IT!

I think it was bloodzombie who said a spider is as much as a killing ship as a meatshield for the terr, so if anything a guy with a 128:47 ratio is doing less than someone with a 83:70 ratio, as in he's just sitting there doing bugger all. The best spiders are the ones with loads of team points (although feck loads of kills never hurt anyone... physically).

[Sleepy Weasel]

lots of kills are good.

[RabbitRapist]

yeh.. deaths dont matter but kills and points do.

-RR

[RogerMexico]

I have to disagree on the whole "deaths don't matter" notion. As many flagroom battles as there are today, I'll take a spider that's alive most of the time over others. I don't judge spiders by their death toll, don't get me wrong. Just saying that a spider who died 42 times played more of the game than a spider who died 102 times... simple math, right?

[Webbb Llama v1.5]

I think people are jealous of really good spiders like koan who dont die very often because they "camp" the best spots, and end up getting like 170 kills every game.

[Eeks]

It's just a pure fact that if the whole team stays back you lose.
I dunno why everyone keeps looking at recs though.

[Verthanthi]

A good team doesn't need spiders as meat shields, the sharks do it for them. Camping isn't inherently bad, as long it isn't all you do. Someone mentioned ghost, he doesn't just camp, but he does do it. It's a matter of knowing where to camp and when.

[PhaTz]

I think a spider should have around 1.5:1 to 1.8:1 ratios, otherwise you're just camping too much or you're suiciding too much.

[Nickname]

For a successful 4 spider lineup you want.

At least one guy whos always alive doing the 150-50 kill rec dealy.
At least one Middle man, who is a happy medium between guy a and guy c (lets call him 140-80-ish range)
One guy as defensive, stay alive, doesn't rush so doesn't get the easy just got off of terr deaths. Lets call him 120-100.

I'd stick the 4th guy in either very or semi agressive, but I find if you look at every game where two good teams play, at least one spider per team is closer to the 1:1 than the others. (and I mean a good 10-20 kill margin)

So do deaths matter, yes, you're dead you can't shoot OR block. But i'd take the one blocker with 3 shooters any day.

If you're all blockers, you're fucked.
If you all go to agreesive, and you're not good at it, you're fucked.

Happy medium.

[bounty]

spiders do rack up tons of EZ kills! some score resets ive done nothing but spider (in spawn area not base) for the entire time between resets and have a crazy rec. 4163w 1920L

[Fit of Rage]

Like nickname said, there's a happy medium. It's not like you should be roadkill meant to take every shot for the terrier, but then again not sit back and camp the whole game. Camping has never gotten me a lot of points, because eventually someone on the opposite side will nail you and chances are you won't be able to move out of the way. Dying doesn't help your team get points, and it boosts the other team's in the proccess.

[Sufficient]

Note ... campers don't have many flag touches ... it's their teammates who do the hard work to gain the flag for the team.

Btw ... in the stats can we include flag touches?

[Divine Rides]

bring on the warbird era (seriously, I'm so fucking lonely)

[wadi]

I dunno about "roles" as much as knowing what to do on the field. I like to play a little more flexibly and work my way from my terr to the enemy terr doing a combination of jobs on the way. If you're near your terr, kill incoming enemy ships, especially javs and birds, if you're in the middle, make sure the path under the flag is covered, or make sure you have the flag (milking is still clutch in FR battles), if you're in the enemy half of the fr, try to be the most annoying POS you can. Snipe people attaching to the terr, make their sharks waste reps before they can push out, and pin them in the ear if you can. Sticking to a rigid job related line up gets you in trouble for those 5 seconds after someone dies.

[bloodzombie]

The absolute very worst spiders in my opinion, are the ones who sit outside the enterance and shoot up instead of trying to push in.. there's nothign worse than being a terr and sitting in lower trying to get your team to move up.

well, there's one worse thing, and that's when you're cornered in the flagroom and your spiders are sitting behind you shooting one constant stream of bullets.