New TWL Schematics

[mtine]

Since there is a lot of arguing going on about how to/how not to change TWL, let's sum it all up here. I will only include the good things that could really help this zone and increase its population during this league:

TWL PLAN

- TWL is run twice a year (summer and winter or spring and autumn, depending on players' votes (should make a poll for this))
- TWLD - 7 teams qualify
- TWLJ - 7 teams qualify
- TWLB - 7 teams qualify

TWL AMATEUR

Regarding the current situation, 8 TWDD, 8 TWJD and 5 TWBD squads fall out. They then battle it out in a tournament-like TWL Amateur to battle for the remaining spot for the Regular Season of TWL.

- Games are played during the first 2 pre-season week matches in TWL (2 weeks time to make the TWL Amateur finish).
- Tournament is played like a TWD match, with no rule changes (TWDD best of 3, TWJD best of 3, TWBD 1st to 15 mins).

TWDD

- Since there are 8 squads left, they play quarterfinal tournamet matches.
- The remaining 8 are put in brackets and play TWL Amateur-Quarterfinals:

8th vs 15th
9th vs 14th
10th vs 13th
11th vs 12th

- 4 winning squads advance to the semis. The winner of the first match plays the winner of the last match and the two remaining battle it out amongst each other for a place in the finals!

- TWL Amateur- Finals: The Finals are played after the last TWL preseason match, i.e. 5pm EST on Sunday. The winners of the TWL Amateur proceed to the Regular season of TWL. (Also applies for TWJD)

TWBD

- There are 5 squads left in TWBD. The highest one (8th ranked) gets a bye and advances to the finals! The remaining 4 battle it out in semifinals:

9th vs 12th
10th vs 11th

- 3 teams make it into the finals. They play each other once to determine who is the best amongst each other (total 3 games are played in the finals). The winner of this final advances to TWL Regular season.

TWL Changes:

- 40 games per league in order to qualify
- Soft lock - 1st pre-season week of TWL
- Hard lock - 2nd pre-season week of TWL (after the TWL Amateur Finals are over, so no squadhopping occurs later on)
- 4 best teams in TWL Regular Season make it to the respective Semifinals (LD, LJ and LB) so that the season does not last too long and there are no byes for top squads
- Semifinals: 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd
- Finals: Best of 3 in all 3 leagues
- This way TWL lasts only approx. 3 months (with pre-season and finals included)
- Roster limits: 10 for 1 league, 16 for 2 leagues and 22 for 3 leagues respectively

TWL Staff Helpers

Anyone that would like to host/help with TWL should be invited into a separate branch of Staff where they get trained by ER's to later on host TWL/Amateur games and help otherwise. They only receive powers for hosting/posting on forums etc. Everything else is excluded (like flared suggested last year).

For further information, look at Pressure's great post about revamping TWL here:
http://forums.trenchwars.net/showthr...ke-staff-input

Hope this makes it more understandable how a Amateur League can be successfully implemented into the TWL Schematics without pros whining too much. Only 1 lower-ranked squad makes it into TWL and the Amateur League only last 2 weeks during the pre-season weeks of TWL.

Feel free to post your own opinions/improvements on this matter. All are welcome to post their suggestions as long as there is no bashing/insulting/fighting going on. If you wanna insult/bash each other, click Continuum.exe and battle it out in pub or in DD/JD/BD games.

Thanks for your time guys and have fun in TW.

wiibimbo
TW Dev Zone Map Developer

[MegamanEXE]

omgs noobs legue is dumb ur gay get betr fag

[Tiny]

1. Who decides who is in the amateur league (Which will be by far the biggest problem.)
2. Who will stay on an amateur team, if in fact they show talent, when the "elite" 7 teams decide to pick apart the team just before it is moved to TWL. It will be a wasted space on the twl ladder.
3. How are we going to keep people from aliasing on the twd bot, and joining the amateur teams. Obviously there will be nothing better to do in the offseason than aliasing and wrecking noobs in the amateur league.
4. I hope you dont make amateur league medals, bc they will get ridiculed more than the attack banners, which were quickly removed.

[Tiny]

- Roster limits: 10 for 1 league, 16 for 2 leagues and 22 for 3 leagues respectively

Have you not seen the thread where everyone is against the shrinking of rosters? You want to shrink it more?

[Shaddowknight]

anyone who hasnt competed in twl should be eligible for the Amateur League
yes there are good players who fall into that category, but tuey tend to stay away from league for their own reasons

[mtine]

Please stop bashing this idea and contribute something useful. I think it's a great idea (like Pressure suggested a while back) but it still needs a few tweaks. So if you got a good idea then just correct/improve the ones that are already made.

[Tiny]

Just because I gave questions that you do not have the answer to, because your idea is not well thought out, does not mean I am bashing it. I'm actually helping you create a better picture and idea of your league, because so far it is laffable at best.

[mtine]

Me and Shaddow perfected this schematic with some new ideas, not the ones that are written above, presented it to Aura and he laughed at us and said he won't change anything cuz he said so. So nvm, u can bash all u want.

[Tiny]

RIP

[Aura]

Me and Shaddow perfected this schematic with some new ideas, not the ones that are written above, presented it to Aura and he laughed at us and said he won't change anything cuz he said so. So nvm, u can bash all u want.

No wii, I talked with you for about 20 minutes about your ideas. I didn't laugh them off. I was trying to discuss why some of these ideas wouldn't work, and you said you wanted to cut my head off. Learn how to take some criticism. You are delusional.

p.s. - Not reading top post since you made the text in black.

[Shaddowknight]

you did little to explain WHY they wouldnt actually work, genrally dismissing much of it. While I appreciate you having taken the time to listen to us, you definately didnt have the attitude going into it that you thought anything we suggested would be good or useable, that much was very obvious.

[Aura]

you did little to explain WHY they wouldnt actually work, genrally dismissing much of it. While I appreciate you having taken the time to listen to us, you definately didnt have the attitude going into it that you thought anything we suggested would be good or useable, that much was very obvious.

Shaddow, most of these ideas have been brought up to me, or have been brought up in past years. That is why I had quick answers to your suggestions. I explained this to you when you brought this up. I even told you that I would perhaps try to use variations of some of your ideas. All input is good input, and I appreciate it. This is how things get changed for the better.

I never said anything was a bad idea, but you are trying to change the complete format of the league for no real reason. The current system works, and the things that don't are getting changed. You accused me of not changing anything, but I had the balls to post a rage-inducing rule change thread that is currently 4 pages long. I posted that on the forums to receive criticism. Assholes like kthx destroying everything that I posted is GOOD. Trolls find holes in every rule, and actually help further the discussion. This makes me question everything that I've changed, and forces me to review everything.

In the next hour, I'll be posting a new rule change thread based off of the community discussion in the first thread. Learn how to take criticism, and it will help strengthen your ideas. Everything has a pro and con, and some times you don't see the con until someone smashes it into your face.

[mtine]

I see the con, so I will make new things, cuz it's impossible to reason with you. Oh, wait, now he's gonna cry at me again. Sigh.

[Shaddowknight]

perhaps if your attitude better reflected your intentions this discussion would not have been required
the moment i told you who i helped with that idea, your attitude about it went straight to sourpusstown. Ill continue to make suggestions, but ill try to do better in the future to have a better means of suggesting my ideas and possess better followup

The way you should have handled it:
These ideas have been suggested before.
They wont work because (x)
The other problem with it is (y)
Try to solve those problems with this idea and we will see about it.

[Aura]

I see the con, so I will make new things, cuz it's impossible to reason with you. Oh, wait, now he's gonna cry at me again. Sigh.

Yes, trying to troll me is really going to make me listen to you. Your assburgers is getting spaghetti all over this thread.