revenge vs pandora twlj APPEAL

[Rule]

It's time for caps to stop consistently playing players with questionable lag then whining like bitches (Zidane) when a decision goes the other way.

Turban summed it up "there's no denying that i had severe lag issues in the match against revenge".

Laggots kill competitive play in this zone and have for years. Many controversial decisions have come up on the boards because of questionable lag, squads have lost playoff agames over it when TWL ops ruled the other way. Players with consistent lag issues that go on for years like Turban should be regulated to TWDing until they can get a consistent and stable and connection. Sucks for players who genuinely have trouble with ISP's - but the same players should not be allowed to TWL period until they can get reliable connections. Simple as that, why should the majority deal with the same headache every year because some retarded cap like Zidane think its okay to play laggots? Players have a responsibility to bench themselves too if they have lag issues. If the cap won't do it, staff ends up taking up the responsibility - because the squad (Pandora), Cap (Zidane) and the player (Turban) are too retarded and self serving to give a dam.

It's time for more established and punitive systems to be set up for laggots and caps who consistently play them in TWL. Enough babysitting.

[Rule]

Turban its the same run around for you year after year. Your so disappointed in staff, someone should have told you, oh no LOL

Take some responsibility and bench yourself until you can get a decent connection. Don't make staff and caps have to deal with your own issue.

Take your wasted time apologizing/explaining/blaming, and find a better ISP. Can't find one?
Play TWD, don't need laggots in TWL.


BTW I don't hate you. I don't know you. Your lag issues though have gone on for years and that's weak.

[Turban]

self-serving? you're giving me way too much credit, sir. i haven't cared about this game for several years, but how could someone like you know anything me when we never even talk to each other.

here's a fun fact that some players and staff members do not know about the zone and lag. trench wars has had severe lag issues for over 10 years due routing issues, sometimes it affects the american players with certain ISPs and sometimes the european -- or in worst case, both. there's nothing you can do to fix it unless you're willing to either change your ISP or using a quality VPN service. while it's not happening as frequently as it used to it can still ruin the weekend for some players.

i'll just use my other connection for the rematch. it'll have a stable 180ms (which is 40ms higher than the standard finnish lag) but at least it shouldn't have any spiking issues.

[Rule]

http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthr...ope&highlight=

Same issue posted by you in 2010. 4 years later nothing has changed.

Your right you dont care. Just another self serving jackass.

If you did care you would stfu and agree to a replay without whining away about it with the rest of Pandora. Blaming staff for your own lag issues.

A player who consistently has lag issues like yourself and consistently gets played is a detriment to competitive play.

[Turban]

heh, you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

back when i lived in my other apartment (for over 3 years) my connection was among the best in the zone. my download speed was 100mbps+ and upload speed at 20mbps. there was no lag issues at all, my average was 120ms and if using a premium VPN connecting through Sweden my ping would be as low as 100-110ms -- i was the only person from finland with that low lag as far as i know. there was no packet loss or spike med problems. my tinfo was perfect. even then the same people were complaining about me lagging. whatever, shit happens.

i moved to a new city recently (early december) and unfortunately the internet speed isn't quite as good as my old connection was. it's still decent (21mbps down/2mbps up), but as it's a wireless connection it's bound to have some issues.

EDIT: actually, you're not worth my time. you're an ignorant fool and nothing more. time to get off work.

[Rule]

You have consistently had lag issues for years Turban. I don't need to here your life story and how you think you once had one of the best connections in the zone, sounds like bunch of the usual concocted bullshit. For years you have been spiking, eating shots, lagging out, readjusting your connections and coming back with the same result - consistent laggot. Like you said you dont care about the game. So why dont u fuck off from league play, and give staff and the zone a break from this bullshit.

[With Ease]

Rule - It's all a bit funny coming from the guy that started Sika in every league just two years ago. You're nothing more than the Benjamin Button of the zone. The older you get, the more childish you appear.

On a serious note... isn't this what lag limits were designed for with bots? How about fixing the lag limits so the only time people get spectated isn't with that ridiculous 345355345 spike MED bug? Also, how about the staff members don't just start the bot and go afk? They signed up for the game, it's their responsibility to watch the game to the end and look for any suspicious lag. If Tiny claimed turban's lag was within the lag limit, shouldn't he have also been checking for visibly unfair spikes as moderators are taught to do the day they are promoted? There is a clear lack of communication between TWL staff, and we are headed toward a record amount of replay matches with a record low amount of squads participating in the league. Bring in somebody that knows what they're doing please. I've seen ph and humid around... perhaps instead of paying for a pizza tournament or some shit you can pay them to use common sense.

[Shaddowknight]

group of players running TWL

I lol'd

Reckful
Tiny

One of these is a player, one of them is running TWL. A group of players this is not.

People may say this is the worst twl staff ever, but I consulted The Helix Fossil and it has assured me there have been worse.
With Ease: Yes, staffers should also be looking for visible spikes. However, Tiny was promoted from Er to be into TWL department when we changed staff structures, so he never learned the more intricate lag stuff like mods/TWD ops would get experience with. This is a flaw in the current staff structure where departments that should be handling such training internally are not properly doing so.

[Turban]

heh, by that i meant all of twl staff, you included.

[Shaddowknight]

I am not on TWL staff. In fact, I am rather enjoying watching this train wreck showing the ineptitude of certain people in a highly publoc manner.

[Turban]

sorry then, looks like i misunderstood your signature. i have nothing against you anyways, you are doing a lot of good things for the zone. keep it up.

[Ephemeral]

Why is everything the fault of staff? At what point do we, as players, also have some responsibility? This is OUR zone, OUR community, yet we seem to tolerate people exploiting all kinds of shit (lag, cheats, bugs, etc.) and then turn around and point fingers at staff. Staff doesn’t become staff by marriage and birth like some kind of fucking royalty. Staff is simply a subset of the US, the player-base.

And even if we, as players, are simply fucking dumbasses, clueless, inconsiderate, and have IQs of 70 that do not allow us to think beyond only ourselves; where the fuck is the squad leadership? Squad leadership should understand that having some lag-ass in a TWL game is not going to result in anything good. It only results in a huge time suck for everyone and wasting of zone resources.

And then we have the player themselves. Are our egos so fucking frail that we have to play when we know we are lagging hard? Shit, even in something as lame as Pub and ?go hockey we see people playing ships that they KNOW they are able to use their lag to be ‘better’ players. How fucking sad is that? As players we should at least feel some responsibility to the community, to the league, to squadies, and to ourselves.

There is little doubt that there is room for improvement in the way this situation has handled by staff. But this juvenile shit of deflecting all blame to them is fucking lame and one the reasons no one wants to contribute to the zone at any level.

Edit: Turb, this rant is not directed at you. I trust you when you say you didn't understand you were lagging more than normal.
eph

[Rule]

Ease you define two faced and petty. Behind the scenes you stir shit up like a wankster. You talk about childish and immature - your the one running into the thread saying things like:

"How many times are we going to have to replay a match due to the failures of TWL staff? Start holding people accountable for their mistakes and stop wasting my time. I've played this league far too long to watch you shit all over the efforts of everyone that came before you. You've turned an already weakened season into a complete mockery. Over half the squads have already received warnings and as it stands a single victory pretty much guarantees a playoff appearance. "

You talk about accountability and run squads with laggots. You demand people be held accountable but you don't hold your own teammates accountable. You have one thing right, TWL is a joke now. A big reason is the so called "top tier" squads like Pandora are a joke. You set the tone with the way you act in TWDs, TWL, pub etc. Even my old bud Rough disappoints me - because what I see is players who don't give a dam about the zone anymore, more concerned with trolling (half your squad is trolls) and acting like jackasses. The league is becoming a joke, because the so called best squads are full of wanksters.What are you doing for the league that your so quick to blast? NOTHING.

In the early days Sika was one of the best players to play the game. A whole generation of tards like yourself spent half your early years trolling him. Alot of the elite older players are gone now, and whats left is the kids who never grew up.

I dont even know if Avarus was Sika. Never asked - created a squad quickly 3 months before TWL and ran with it. He definitely didn't play like the Sika of old. If staff ever had an issue with his lag they let us know and we sat him and it was rare. I have played the game for 15 years. Rarely ever had any lag issue. Always played fair. Never messed around with connections, never tried to use "laggy" players as an advantage. Turban has consistently had his own lag issues for years now.

The days of dialups are gone. Laggots and Cheaters should not be part of the league anymore. Pandora has 30+ members, loads of javs, Turban with clear cut lag that is effecting games should not be involved in our so called "premier league". Its not staff's job to babysit you on sunday morning, sitting and watching every one of your players for cheating or questionable lag. Its your own job to run your squad properly. Trench Wars and TWL is not always about what you can get from it, what can be to given to you etc. Give some thing back other then complaining when things dont go your way.

I don't need to be polite anymore. I see a league that is dying from a combination of: natural decline, ineffective staffing (The Tiny's), players who think the game is meant specifically for what they can get out of it, players who troll. Rivalry is almost non existent now, players have no loyalty and squad hop regularly . Less then 15 active unique squads in the league.

[With Ease]

Eph, this isn't just about the Revenge game. I'm bringing staff into it because it's the third replay of the season. We had to replay the Paladen match because some idiot mistakenly banned two of their starters an hour before the game started. How are we supposed to know turban is lagging more than normal if the bot doesn't spec him and turban himself doesn't feel like he's lagging more than normal? Should I ask each player individually to paste their lag information to me before every game starts? When you're playing in the game you're generally focused on PLAYING. The lag limit was put into place to give captains an idea as to whether or not someone is too laggy to play. As for the Revenge game, Tiny informed zidane that turban needed to be subbed, and immediately after he was subbed. That's all there is to it. Don't sit there and pretend you haven't played with someone from another country in your squad. Turban's lag has never been outside the ordinary for a player from Finland.

Rule, you also mention accountability. How can you then claim to not know who avaruus is as the captain of your squad? You also state "If staff ever had an issue with his lag they let us know and we sat him and it was rare." But you just said it wasn't staff's job to babysit, funny how that works isn't it? It almost sounds exactly like what we did with turban. As far as contributing something myself, you're right. But the fact is you aren't contributing either.

[Shaddowknight]

Didnt even realize my sig was confusing. It was done before the structure change and we had just general League Ops. Ill change it shortly to be more accurate though.