Fix TWL

[mtine]

Ease, I have totally different reasons than you. So please, don't judge. And I didn't stack anything LOL. I just joined my friends.
PS. Since u really wanna know why I left, some idiots on paladen decided to cry every Sunday and I just had enough of that. Period.

[Hurricane]

I love how after 15 years of playing this game players are starting to realize that it is more fun to play as an underdog and spread the talent. Teams like Syndicate, Thunder, Sk8, Dice, Rampage, Fierce, Siege, Elusive, Light, Dudgeon (Now), Burn etc... have always been the problem to TWL. Ease you say its a case of entitlement, you can't say you have only been guilty of it from time to time, you created it along with all the other top tier talent stacking to win TWL.

There has only ever been a handful of players who have tried to win titles on lower level skilled squads and been successful. Do not make it a fad, it should be a complete mindset for everyone if they want this game to continue. Don't blame players who haven't won titles who decide to play for a good team that ends up getting over stacked. It's the "idolized" players like Rough, Amputate, Demonfaze, the WB talents on Fierce, all of the players who would horde the talent to win. They have been the problem from the beginning and always will be. You finally realized what it feels like to not be surrounded by 4 other of the top 10 javs of the season, or the top warbirds. You feel helpless because you are not THE player who won everything, you were merely just a member of a stacked line that would dominate the other opponents who had less combined skill.

It all becomes an individuals choice, it will forever be TWL. It will not change unless you start to implicate dictatorship like rules towards the league, the future of TW is TWDT and people need to start realizing it. Ogron is the best league organized that I've ever been a part of. Bring back TWDT with OGGIE!

oh and yes, I am a sellout from what I preach. 15 years of off and on close calls of upsets with mambo, revenge, and all of the other lower tier TWL "skills" was enough for me. I want a twl title to round off my TWEL and TWDT championships, next season you will see me again with a team like LEGO.

Cheers

[Turban]

the competition has been segmented in every single season we have had, and this season is no exception.

the truth is that every season, in each of the three leagues, we have only a handful of teams who have a realistic chance of achieving victory at the end of season. the remaining of the teams either compete to achieve a respectable mid-table finish, or simply play to improve as a whole on both team and individual level. it is a layered competition featuring teams in top, middle and bottom tiers in terms of skill and that will always be the case if we continue to use this league structure. we simply rely too much on the players to have the balls to step out of their comfort zone to prove themselves on a lesser team instead of being content to bench a large majority of the games, and it isn't really reasonable to expect such acts from our players as most of us are extremely competitive and want to win. ironically, the best way to achieve victory and winning a title is by joining the strongest team around.

this season is no different from seasons 8, 10, 12, 16, or 18, and at this rate the leagues will never have a truly competitive season. considering the future, the league structure has to completely change if we want to have at least one highly competitive league. i don't know if the players would be up for such a drastic change, but it is better than letting the leagues continually stagnate like they have for all these years.

[With Ease]

Didn't think Ease was really such a double-faced person. Guy just shattered my dreams. RIP

I really hope that's sarcasm, since you did the same thing less than an hour later.

[Crescent Seal]

this is more of a mentality issue than anything else. for some reason nerds on this game feel good about beating up on lesser squads and benching their way to titles. how is it even fun to stack? that entitlement thing you brought up makes 100% sense as well. so many times ive asked people about why they choose to stack and the reply is "i used to cap my own squads and i never got anywhere so its my time now to win". does winning like that even count then? if you faggots want to continue killing this game and its ONLY competitive aspect, then continue stacking.

[mtine]

Didn't think Ease was really such a double-faced person. Guy just shattered my dreams. RIP

[Rough]

You are just trying to give an explanation of abandoning Juans since you got massacred by everyone online at the time you left.

Also, you left because Juans got pretty much destroyed by Burn earlier today in lj where you got smacked with a record of 2-10. A few people on Juans already mentioned on chat that you were "whining" pretty hard after the loss. For all the years I've known you, there are two things that bother you: 1) you do not like to lose at all, period. 2) You hate Lasenza with a passion.

I don't care that you left for another stacked squad but don't give us a bullshit explanation of you leaving so we can feel sorry for you because you are trying to give us insight that we need to fix twl and you want to play 3 leagues, not one lol...get out of here bum.

[With Ease]

As I'm sure most of you are aware, the league is in a sad state. I spent the past six months playing with Juans and enjoyed playing with a new group of guys. I feel like we had the line to compete as underdogs and had a decent shot at winning, which was my intention all along. However, over time, I realized I still wanted to compete in LD and LB after the narrow losses last season. I tried to look for exceptions and ways in which I could stay in Juans while still playing LD/LB and looking for revenge, such as joining separate squad rosters for separate leagues. I felt that after all the time I had wasted in this game, I was owed at least a bit of deference in being allowed to play another league which would prevent me from damaging Juans and hopefully add a bit of competition to other leagues.

What does this sound like? Entitlement. Entitlement is the plague that has ruined TWL for years and has undoubtedly continued into this season. I'm certainly guilty of it, as are many of you. The fact is, the league owes us NOTHING. Most people in the league feel they deserve to win and therefore congregate in the top squads to increase their chance of winning a useless medal on the TWD website, often while contributing nothing. People complain about the lack of competition in TWL, while at the same time sending out messages to banzi, blood, and underground to add to their line of 15 warbirds. No one wants to be Michael Jordan. Everyone wants to secure a line of 10 backups in case someone can't show, in a game with an active population of 200 remaining. Just earlier, I was bitching about how terrible TWL was when MHz cut into the conversation. He said the following:

Commodo> that's the dilemma that's faced a lot of good players, playing on low-tier squads
Commodo> dont need to change the rules because of it
Commodo> ease, congrats on playing on a non-favourite team
Commodo> really, gj
Commodo> but don't be a martyr about it

Mhz's history is full of helping out mid-tier teams, and as a result he now feels entitled that it's his turn to be on the opposite side of things. This is the exact mindset that is ruining the league. No one is owed anything from the past, it's about the NOW. We should all spread out, and if that's not feasible at least prevent the horde of backups from joining the roster. I certainly played a part in the events that led us here, and tried to do my best this year to change things by example. Not a single baser or warbird joined Juans, and inevitably ended up on 1 of 2 squads for LB. In LD, players like Riverside and Jones led the way by joining Vikings. But when no one spread out, Riverside did the only natural thing he could do; extend his middle finger to the league and join a stronger team.

You're probably thinking that if I wanted to 3 league, I could have joined a weaker team like Lego, and you're definitely right. However, I chose burn to prove a point (and to see the chaos unfold). No one cared about me sitting out ld or lb and not contributing, but the second I joined the burn roster I got a bunch of angry PMs (most from people on stacked squads). No one cared that the competition would be weaker if i sat out (yes it's my ego talking but I'd like to think it's true). They simply saw it as a chance to collect another medal and not worry about actually playing the game. The best part though was the people making comments such as "How could you do this to Juans?!" while at the same time PMing me a day earlier trying to get me to join their squad.

If I wanted to compete in 3 leagues the general consensus was "too bad man you should have joined a 3 league squad." Why should a squad like Juans be held back just because they only enjoy jav? Why should I have to hurt Juan's jav line if I want to play all 3 leagues? It simply makes no sense in this current stage of the game. Everyone is stuck in the past with the image of this mildly competitive TWL, and is unwilling to look past the dwindling number of players and squads. I brought up the idea of a separation of leagues and was told by ricko that it would "destroy the integrity of squads." What integrity? There are barely enough squads to fill out TWL and turban practically had to pay people to participate in LD/LB. The league would be a much better place if leagues were split up by time of year or if players were allowed to play on different teams. Sure it would be vastly different, but isn't different what we need? If leagues were separated currently, I would not be in burn for jav or base as I'm definitely not needed. Due to this supposed "squad integrity" though I hurt Juan's chances and joined a team where I'm not needed.

Something needs to change, and based on every team making the playoffs this year anyway I think there's still time to fix this. I would much rather play for the challenge of winning with a new group in jav, and leaving Juans disappoints me personally. The fact is though, if I made this post while still in Juans, not a single person would care. Most people still playing care nothing for the competition.