Fix TWL

[Turban]

please use the [CODE] tag next time.

i will edit your post to not be as long on the screen.

[Rule]

saggiN> u dis gud
    saggiN> wat u said was false bout ppl on cobra/potenza "2nd tier squads" not having the belief they can win it all
    saggiN> trust me we do
  Rule> sry random aliaser get on your normal name or stfu =p
    saggiN> lol u done dis not random every1 knows who i am
    saggiN> Ore wa, Uchiha Madara
      Rule> Its not false at all. Read the beginning of my post.
      Rule> identifying the thin line between underdogs and champions.
  Rule> How leaders of squads market themselves, and show the rest of the league their desire to win, influences whether competitive players will see them as worthwhile as joining.
 Rule> its good that you have a different opinion, it means your alive and breathing.
    saggiN> but thats the thing we dont want some alpha wb joining to take us to the promiseland
      Rule> but still why would anyone want to join potenza?
    saggiN> we rather team up with ppl our skill level
    saggiN> work hard on teaming
    saggiN> and win that way
Rule> and thus far that has made you champions right?
   Rule> I agree with having a core and teaming. But where is the real desire to win and direction coming from.
    saggiN> so u are saying we should stack to become champs? lol
      Rule> I am saying you are not convincing.
[FLAG] INCONCEIVABLE!!: Icefront claims flag for Freq 0 with just 1 second left!
      Rule> Your simply talking.
      Rule> Actions speak louder then words.
    saggiN> its b/c we arent stacked that we arent convincing
      Rule> its because leaders of squads have no vision
    saggiN> we dont have 10 wbs who could be starters
    saggiN> everywehre else
      Rule> alot of the time they recruit and say "come join us, we aim to be a top 4 squad, and make the playoffs"
      Rule> and then they say "we are not stacked, we dont have this many wbs etc etc"
      Rule> how about we aim to win TWL this season and plan to practice around the clock to show the rest of the league we are the best.
      Rule> after that we plan to expand into a 3 league squad and dominate.
      Rule> no one says that because they dont believe its possible.
      Rule> in their heart of hearts.
    saggiN> nobody practices anymore like that lol
    saggiN> nobody has time too
   Rule> excuses, excuses.
        Rule> Unconvincing. 
  saggiN> we cud all jus join fierce n burn n bench
    saggiN> wud dat b better
        Rule> Yesterday (many years ago)
  Rule> Fierce were bunch of newbs, trying to make it
    saggiN> lol when?
    saggiN> the first fierce was created JUST to stack and beat ease
      Rule> You cant see it can you?
    saggiN> with racka apok deez skepsis kyou dele etc.
      Rule> LOL
      saggiN> they had like 500 wbs
      Rule> why would anyone want to bother creating a squad just to beat someone
    Rule> your either ease, or dumb as hell
    saggiN> the very creation of fierce was to stack man
    saggiN> ask racka
      Rule> they wanted to squad together and to win.
    saggiN> the cap
      Rule> Racka was never a real cap on Fierce
    saggiN> yes winning meant beating ease there
      Rule> hes always had his head up his ass
    saggiN> old
      Rule> still does
    saggiN> it doesnt matter lol ur whole idea of "bunch of newbs trying to make it" is false
      Rule> The players on Fierce came from different backgrounds
    saggiN> they stacked
      Rule> Actually no they didn't
    saggiN> ?
      Rule> your just stuck in that mentality.
      Rule> "they stacked whine whine"
    saggiN> they had deez apok racka dele kyou skepsis etc. lol
    saggiN> how is that not stacked
    saggiN> ur blind
      Rule> think I am done talking with you. You are blind.
    saggiN> LOL u have 0 idea
  Rule> Why would I have no idea Saggin?
      Rule> where was I the first time Fierce won LD?
    saggiN> u literally have 0 clue, go talk to apok/racka/dele each one has told me they created fierce and stacked to take down ease
    saggiN> who knows prob benching
      Rule> I was part of Fierce dumbass
    saggiN> well u were 0 factor
      Rule> thanks for the compliment
      saggiN> np
      Rule> you are 0 factor
  saggiN> i dont bench to titles
      Rule> too punk to get on your own name and have a convo
    saggiN> so im ok with that
    saggiN> lol i just told u who i was?
      Rule> too judgmental to see straight.
    saggiN> are u retarded?
      Rule> too retarded too not get offended by someone who has a different opinion then you
    saggiN> LOL im not offended but you are wrong about it
    saggiN> its not an opinion issue
    saggiN> fierce stacked season 1
      Rule> Nope, Fierce was underdog first year they came in
    saggiN> they literally combined like 5 squads together
    saggiN> it was another quake type
      Rule> do you think Elusive winning LJ in season 5 were stacked?
    saggiN> were quake underdogs too?
      Rule> do you they think were clear champions with no competition?
      Rule> We started 0-4 in twl. No one expected us to do anything in lj, It was a squad only known as wbs.
     Rule> Elusive became Elusive because ppl put in mad work to make it happen.
  saggiN> yeah nobody put work here
    saggiN> they just stacked
    saggiN> they killed other squads
    saggiN> reduced competition
    saggiN> so only thunder was it
      Rule> Back in those days -F- and Siege and other squads were real competition. Half a dozen other squads were very strong too
    saggiN> ya that doesnt exist now
      Rule> Definetly the amount of players has gotten smaller
      Rule> so when players stick together for years
              Rule> and are competitive players
      Rule> you see dominate squads
      Rule> I am not wrong about Cobra or Potenza. 
      Rule> I looked at Juans a few weeks ago
    saggiN> idk wat ur point is
      Rule> And saw a hidden potential there
Blue World> rofl
      Rule> to be an upset contender
saggiN> its not easy
      Rule> thats gone now tho
      Rule> likely.
    saggiN> and u should know that, u couldnt even keep Real alive for a week
      Rule> Actually I never had a real plan to make Real again.
    saggiN> regardless
    saggiN> if u made a squad right now
    saggiN> it would most likely fail
      Rule> Dele wanted too, and I rolled with it. Then I decided making a squad 2-3 weeks before TWL was not worth it.
    saggiN> people rather bench
      Rule> I would need at least 3-4 months
      Rule> like the original Real.
    saggiN> u made that when zone was still healthier
      Rule> I guess that was stacked too right in your mind.
    saggiN> try making real now
    saggiN> yeah you had like 15 wbs lol
      Rule> but do you know where it started from? 
    saggiN> i dont see need of that
      Rule> You are unconvincing
      Rule> in that "whine whine whine they are stacked"
    saggiN> so are u
      Rule> lol
    saggiN> all of ur arguments so far are unconvincing
      Rule> we are genuine their is just us - we are not stacked
      Rule> thats your argument
    saggiN> who is we
    saggiN> yeah
    saggiN> which is 100% true
      Rule> your argument is to complain and blame
    Rule> other squads
      Rule> while doing nothing for yourself.
    saggiN> no my argument is to show you a dose of reality
      Rule> to improve the situation
    saggiN> about elusive
    saggiN> snap out of it
      Rule> Madarai right?
      Rule> dice bencher and baser?
    saggiN> and focus in on whats happening now
    saggiN> what
      Rule> I dont even know who you are
    saggiN> lol ive told u that 5000000x
      Rule> no offense meant lol
    saggiN> madara uchiha
    saggiN> cres
    saggiN> crescent seal
      Rule> why didnt you just say Cres, Cres
    saggiN> b/c all of my aliases are well known 
      Rule> do you have identity issues?
      Rule> Why would I know all of your aliases?
    saggiN> u just have 0 awareness of whats happening atm
    saggiN> shows ur activity
      Rule> or give a fuk?
    saggiN> makes ur opinions literally insignificant
            Rule> hands cres a pillow
     Rule> go hug yourself
       Rule> You were part of Sweet right?
    saggiN> ya
    saggiN> only last year
      Rule> oh
    saggiN> i dont bench ever lol
      Rule> Do you agree with Jones post?
      Rule> Sweet started as underdogs
    saggiN> forgot what he said
      Rule> and eventually earned a title.
saggiN> yeah in a time where it was possible to work at it
    saggiN> its not anymore
      Rule> Now nothing is possible right Cres
    saggiN> when they won squads were still more balanced than now
      Rule> because activity is dead, and squads are not balanced
      Rule> so its game over
    saggiN> not to mention apok didnt show vs dice which resulted in dice vs sweet finals
    saggiN> LOL
    saggiN> otherwise fierce would of won again
      Rule> and the only thing you can do about it now is whine right?
    saggiN> lol its not whining its reality
      Rule> its pure whining. Telling me what I said about potenza and cobra is not true
    saggiN> like i said try making a squad that lasts more than 2 weeks
      Rule> yet claiming you cannnot win anything
      Rule> because of stacked squads
    saggiN> when did i claim that lol
    saggiN> i have faith we will win
         saggiN> despite the odds
saggiN> and its heavy odds vs us
         Rule> ya it would be, bunch of random aliasers messaging ppl in pub
    saggiN> if one of our top 5 doesnt show we are fked, its hard to get depth when ppl rather bench
      Rule> no identity.
    saggiN> lol we arent aliased
  saggiN> ur just an idiot for not knowing
    saggiN> i cant solve that
      Rule> You are an idiot for aliasing 
    saggiN> why lol
      Rule> pointless
      Rule> I think like ten years ago we had a convo about this.
    saggiN> so if i pick a name i can never change it?
    saggiN> so dumb
    saggiN> as long as ppl know who i am
      Rule> once again your whining 
    saggiN> there is 0 issue
      Rule> if "one of our top 5 doesnt show we are fked"
   saggiN> its true
      Rule> Go and recruit 3 more wbs dummy
    saggiN> LOL from where?
    saggiN> pub?
      Rule> should always have depth on a squad
    saggiN> z40sflk is good?
    saggiN> our depth is mediocre players
      Rule> Pub, wbduel, base, another squad whereever the fuk you can find them
      Rule> Get off your ass
    saggiN> lol either ur trolling or actually retarded
    saggiN> cant tell
      Rule> Stop blaming other squads and players
      Rule> and make the squad you want.
    saggiN> not possible
      Rule> oh its Apoks fault they stack
    saggiN> yeah it is
      Rule> do you realize how stupid you sound?
    saggiN> he doesnt need 18 ppl on his bench
    saggiN> to coord
      Rule> Go and steal some of his ppl then
    saggiN> they are pussies who rather bench
      Rule> "oh I cant do that"
    saggiN> i cant fix it
      Rule> "they wont come"
      Rule> "not my problem"
    saggiN> u want me to pay them irl? lol
      Rule> Excuses mutherfucker
    saggiN> not going to work
      Rule> I doubt ppl would follow some guy messaging them aliased, whos recruiting tactic is to whine about other squads
    saggiN> these arent excuses this is reality something you have failed to grasp for years now on this game and irl most likely
    saggiN> you couldnt even keep real alive for 3 weeks and you are lecturing me LOOOOL
    saggiN> get over yourself loser
:saggiN:I couldnt or I chose not too
:saggiN:big difference
      Rule> ?find saggin
saggiN - afk
(saggiN)>unconvincing
(saggiN)>whine 
(saggiN)>"boohoo i couldnt do it"
:saggiN:This convo too much for you?
:saggiN:clearly
(saggiN)> "boohoo i wish i had 3 months for it"
(saggiN)>excuses excuses
:saggiN:didnt like what you heard so you ran to afk.
(saggiN)> "boohoo i only had dele"
:saggiN:Buddy my time running squads is done.
(saggiN)>" boohoo i dont cap anymore and run squads"
:saggiN:my time playing here and spending time here extensively is done
(saggiN)>see how retarded this sounds?
:saggiN:I am content with that.
:saggiN:You can see it anyway you want and hate on it. Good for you.
(saggiN)>and you can do the same towards me
(saggiN)>makes 0 difference
:saggiN:I think the main thing I am trying to show you is
(saggiN)>the reality of whats happening wont change
:saggiN:excuses get you nowhere
:saggiN:blaming others gets you nowhere
(saggiN)>yeah it def. didnt get Real anywhere
:saggiN:If potenza and cobra want to be champions
:saggiN:they have to put in more work.
(saggiN)>like i said we will do the best with the limitations we have, both squads barely have a bench
(saggiN)>both squads have reached out to benchers on fierce and burn but it was 0 success b/c they rather bench
(saggiN)>its reality
:saggiN:so now what?
:saggiN:You do the best you can with what you have Cres.
(saggiN)>so now you wait and watch
  (saggiN)>obviously
:saggiN:"obviously"
:saggiN:lol
(saggiN)>there is no other option is there?
:saggiN:you sound like one of those faggots
:saggiN:who believes everything should be given to him in life
:saggiN:and nothing is earned.
(saggiN)>lol? is that why i never stack on squads?
(saggiN)>i could have so many medals by now by benching
(saggiN)>but i refuse not to
:saggiN:Everything that is worthwhile in life is earned
:saggiN:do you want someone to hand you a twl title
:saggiN:or do you plan to take one
:saggiN:like I mentioned in my post tho
(saggiN)>like i said i never bench on twl squads
:saggiN:what is the difference
(saggiN)>im not a "tripin"
:saggiN:between players who have titles, and those who have none
:saggiN:in my opinion nothing.
(saggiN)>but there is a difference b/w players who have titles and who bench for titles
:saggiN:thats my own issue with the league now tho
:saggiN:The 6th and 7th man on Fierce
:saggiN:who plays 5 LDs and never gets to chance to play in finals
:saggiN:is worthless to you then right?
(saggiN)>yes
:saggiN:He did nothing to help his squad
:saggiN:right?
:saggiN:even though he was the one logged in most days, helping get TWDs played
  Icefront> lol
(saggiN)>the game has changed, we cannot afford for ppl to do that anymore this isnt 2003 where u can pull it off
(saggiN)>he should have enough dignity to help this game out
(saggiN)>join another squad
(saggiN)>start there
:saggiN:Nope, nothing wrong with his choice
:saggiN:hes content to be where he is
:saggiN:some of these guys put in mad work for the squad in twd
:saggiN:not anymore tho
(saggiN)>trippin put in nothing
(saggiN)>vash did nothing
:saggiN:in your opinion
:saggiN:but whats your opinion worth? when its skewered and hateful
:saggiN:not much.
(saggiN)>last year tripin didnt even play any LD games LOL
:saggiN:so he should of joined Potenza right?
(saggiN)>no he should of joined a squad where he could of started
(saggiN)>doesnt have to be us
:saggiN:maybe tripin likes being where he is because he is friends with the ppl on the squad
(saggiN)>well maybe tripin is a selfish douchebag who should realize that this game is dying and him moving to other squads helps it
:saggiN:Players are going to play where they want to play. Its always been like that.
(saggiN)>well times are changing
(saggiN)>its not feasible anymore
(saggiN)>we will probably have that TWL-Draft next year anyways
:saggiN:I think whatever disagreeing views most have
:saggiN:most will agree that change is needed here.
:saggiN:my own viewpoint is ppl have to keep a positive viewpoint on where the leagues can go
:saggiN:or its dead

[Turban]

some squads will have selection issues for the lineups, especially when the big games start rolling out. it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out with all of these players expecting to play on a talented roster. i know most of the players in Burn as an example expect to be in the starting lineup when playoffs begin, and only five can start in each round.

anyway, the way I see it, TWLD and TWLJ are still pretty darn competitive as each league has at least four squads with a chance of winning it all, but as far as TWLB is concerned it is really a long shot to see anyone but Burn or Dudgeon winning the title. i'm not saying it to belittle squads like LEGO, Fierce and Cobra, but these aforementioned teams simply do not have the strength on all fronts to challenge the top lineups of the two juggernaut squads. i hope i am proven wrong, though.

but, yah, as people said, something needs to change for the future.

[Rough]

I love how after 15 years of playing this game players are starting to realize that it is more fun to play as an underdog and spread the talent. Teams like Syndicate, Thunder, Sk8, Dice, Rampage, Fierce, Siege, Elusive, Light, Dudgeon (Now), Burn etc... have always been the problem to TWL. Ease you say its a case of entitlement, you can't say you have only been guilty of it from time to time, you created it along with all the other top tier talent stacking to win TWL.

There has only ever been a handful of players who have tried to win titles on lower level skilled squads and been successful. Do not make it a fad, it should be a complete mindset for everyone if they want this game to continue. Don't blame players who haven't won titles who decide to play for a good team that ends up getting over stacked. It's the "idolized" players like Rough, Amputate, Demonfaze, the WB talents on Fierce, all of the players who would horde the talent to win. They have been the problem from the beginning and always will be. You finally realized what it feels like to not be surrounded by 4 other of the top 10 javs of the season, or the top warbirds. You feel helpless because you are not THE player who won everything, you were merely just a member of a stacked line that would dominate the other opponents who had less combined skill.

It all becomes an individuals choice, it will forever be TWL. It will not change unless you start to implicate dictatorship like rules towards the league, the future of TW is TWDT and people need to start realizing it. Ogron is the best league organized that I've ever been a part of. Bring back TWDT with OGGIE!

oh and yes, I am a sellout from what I preach. 15 years of off and on close calls of upsets with mambo, revenge, and all of the other lower tier TWL "skills" was enough for me. I want a twl title to round off my TWEL and TWDT championships, next season you will see me again with a team like LEGO.

Cheers

How was Rampage, Light, Syndicate, Elusive, Siege the problem? They were early squads where players got good within themselves, you might as well add -Final- into the conversation if you think that but I don't believe those squads were the problem at all. You were on them as well where you developed too.

Also, since when do I horde players? lmao I am probably one of the most hated individuals in this game(It's all an act, I swear to make the game interesting but whatever). This is random but DW and I agreed we will go to Dungeon two seasons ago where we both agreed it doesn't matter who is javing alongside us, "let's just roll with it and see what happens". Besides MHz and dreamwin, I really do believe rest of the squad hates me honestly but they keep me around because I am a funny guy after all but yeah I don't recruit anyone Loki..

Now if Tiny is a man like I expect him to be, he can tell the truth that I came up to him weeks ago asking him if he would like to go to Cobra(Ricko might of accepted me if I did ask who knows) with me to spread talent...Tiny wasn't interested -- that is your problem right there. Now you speak of hording but you are on Burn where you have a good chance of not starting especially with Ease there now, Tiny too unfortunately. All I am asking is, shouldn't we be ontop of you about it? Let me be clear too, if you don't start in finals in your designed league...everything is a waste.

[Crescent Seal]

it was the single best move for sweet that season and we are still singing our praise to the great riv for doing it

ya it helped engineers become top spid on squad

citation: rivers forum sig

[Jones]

Coming from the piece of shit that axed his whole basing line off of Sweet after hard lock when myself and mega joined you guys to spread the talent in the league. All because you were called a horrible shark and the reason we lost that game. You're the last person that should talk about spreading talent. It's because of assholes like you that make veterans want to play with people we trust.

it was the single best move for sweet that season and we are still singing our praise to the great riv for doing it

[Efhat]

I don't care to post often, but I'm a little confused as to why the leagues haven't been split yet. It didn't make as much sense before when TWL lasted for months. It is now essentially 2 months, and some squads are playing up to 6 games every Sunday. That's insane.

It also doesn't necessarily cater to people playing multiple ships. Especially in a time where you want to get the most out of the active players playing due to a dwindling population, it'd make more sense to give people the opportunity at playing a different ship. I'd imagine a player like myself would be interested in joining a squad to play LJ if it was the only league available.

Now, frankly, I don't know if that'll address the stacking problem. That's been deeply embedded within TWL's culture for some reason, and now these "stacked" squads are closely-knit units. Players on Fierce for example aren't only stacked, but they probably genuinely enjoy playing with one another after so many years (though I don't understand how anyone enjoys playing with Lasenza. Apok/Deez are cool as hell to squad with, but my God guys get a grip already).

I don't see a solution to this problem. Still really think that the leagues should split. Change isn't so bad, and who knows, it may disrupt the culture well enough to get you guys to not stack.

Coming from the piece of shit that axed his whole basing line off of Sweet after hard lock when myself and mega joined you guys to spread the talent in the league. All because you were called a horrible shark and the reason we lost that game. You're the last person that should talk about spreading talent. It's because of assholes like you that make veterans want to play with people we trust.

[Jones]

you guys should realize already that ease has "been there, done that". he played for sk8 from season 7 (or even 6, cant remember), back when it was nowhere near favourites to win, he stuck around with it in season 9 when demonfaze left it to recreate syndicate(he won that season too, geisha 18-5 where is he?). i don't think half of the people here have stayed and improved an underdog team as much as ease.

the decline of this game is when good player stop playing or become increasingly inactive some other players step up and fill that vacuum. this is how new supersquads are formed. these days (and it has been happening for years), there are no new players stepping up and it is getting worse each year. this explains why there are perhaps only 4 competitive squads in the league, there aren't coming in any new fresh talent from the other squads.

one half of the core of Fierce, started out as newbies. no one here knew who apok was when he was on XeroX (i think) he and his band of annoyance, kitty etc.) got some exposure with HEAVY when they started beating up on good squads. winning some games in twl. etc. eventually, apok joined up with deez and some other players to make this fierce. another example of a squad is perhaps Sweet, no one knew who vt and riverside was and after many years of dedication we finally beat thunder.

there are many examples on underground (yea see that, ease, i also put him there) squads that have formed and become competitive (-legacy-, scrotal's horde!! in the past. hell, even elusive beating rampage in season 6 was a shock to most of spec) but in recent years there simply havent been any squads doing this. the player laSenza is getting some heat in this thread but he as a player is one of the few who have actually improved tremendously. steadman in jav as well.

This is sort of not the point of the thread. so i apologize for hijacking it but I just felt like adding my 2 pennies on some stuff.

[olde]

What ricko said! On behalf of Potenza. And who you calling mid tier! You gonna need the 5 best wbs in the game, to stand a chance to beat us!

Ps. all this hopping/stacking you guys all whining about. We are a self made sqd, we have a group of about 8 players who stayed loyal to ONE sqd. We didnt have to go and recruit any superstars. We dont play ss to bench.
I seen so many highclass players benching yesterday. That could easly take other sqds to higher levels of playing. But hey if a guys making the choice to bench, who are we to tell them different. You just make it easy for top 3 sqds to battle it out. While the other sqds get steam rolled.. Jajaja -OldMothaFknE

[Ricko]

woah - captains of Cobra don't believe we can ever be champions? Words not taken from any of our mouths. We might not be favourites but we don't lack belief in our abilities.

[MHz]

For me, I'm glad Ease has joined Burn. I only ever want to play against the 5 best possible players. Winning vs less-than-formidable teams is no longer enjoyable for me, the same way playing on a squad with filler players is no longer enjoyable. I only come back for the challenging game play - and that's what TWL is for. It should be an elite competition, or it shouldn't exist at all. Attempts to 'level the playing field' fill me with dread - hence why I called you a martyr for suggesting allowing 'double squadding' (on the first season you're not surrounded by a deep, talented roster lol.)

The question that we, as players, not as staff, must answer is this: do we want a competition with a few squads that match up to the old squads, or do we want a balanced league with 8 evenly pitted, less good squads. For me, the draft league caters for the people who want the latter. TWL has always only been about 2-3 contending squads in each division - that shouldn't change if we want to keep what vets we have. It sets a benchmark and an aspiration for newer players, which I know kept me coming back from 99-07.

[Rule]

The line between underdog and champion is thinner than most people realize. A lot of the squads that have been mentioned in this thread were founded not as dominate squads – they became them over time and through the efforts of dedicated players and motivated captains. The difference now is the league is a fishbowl of what it used to be. That and the perception by many players that they cannot win unless they play on X squad - so they might as well stack rather then deviate from the norm by building something new or enhancing an existing squad.

Clear problems exist with TWL:
What’s the value of a TWL championship worth nowadays? Seems to be worth a hell of a lot less then what it used to be. The value of just playing and competing in the leagues is greatly diminished in general. A big part of that has to do with the way members of our community slander the game they have played for often – 5,10,15 years instead of valuing it for what it is and was. A rare hidden gem.

I always enjoyed competing in TWL – wanted to play with players who were interested in winning and giving it their best – there is nothing wrong with those values. The values only get twisted when vets start to brag and trash talk and hate on each other. The more we do that the more we close off from each other and the cycle continues. Competition can bring the worst out in people.

Just because a player was part of underdog squads does that never won anything does not mean they can blame players who were part of championship squads.
In the end what does a title mean? Does being part of a champion squad and having medals make us better than a pubber? A newbie or that guy who has never moved outside of fun squads, or the guy who always played for the underdogs that came close and did not win. For those who think it does you have the wrong view point.

Then we have whiz kids coming up with grand ideas like “Let’s further murk TWL by allowing players to multisquad to boost activity” General lack of respect between many players is a key highlight of our leagues in 2015 and for eons – attitudes and egos come first, trashtalk = modern TW. I have not have had a genuine conversation with Ease in about 12 years and have no plans of changing that anytime soon.

Why do we allow aliasing?
Aliasing has never helped the game. Someone give me a genuine argument for how aliasing has been beneficial - would love to hear it lol

I was sitting in spec the other day and tuned into a pub conversation where Zidane was ranting about Deez nuts being a shitty player etc. while deez was dding. Casket told him to quit tripping and I told him to stfu. To me Deez is one of those rare quiet players – who shares a similar value to me – he comes in to play, compete and give it his best and doesn’t have time for all the whining, lack of respect and trashtalk that defines our league.

Pure immaturity – a lot of the player base is old enough to not act like they do. Maybe it’s a bad day at work, or just the usual using TW as a place to vent.

Lack of Squad Identity:
For many vets the majority of players we would consider genuine friends and great squad mates are long retired, significantly diminishing the value of the game.

Leadership is lacking all throughout the zone. Efforts to make squads meaningful are lacking. Even on veteran squads – caps are getting old and not putting in time, willing to sacrifice squad identity for activity – as the cores that used to do the work are retired or barely active. Do I blame caps who put in work for years and now barely contribute? Nope. Does it help our zone? Nope.

When I was active I always drew a line with the squads I would play with because in my opinion if we all moved squads every few months and had no rivalries – then what would be the point of this game? Part of my frustration with squad hopping and the lack of loyalty the majority of players display – I have always seen it as the downfall of the leagues. The majority of players would rather be followers then leaders. Ease is pointing that out in his own way.

That said the real downfall of the leagues and game is a natural one. What the remaining leagues and years will be like is up to the remaining active player base to decide. They can make the best of it or continue to trash it.

Limited infrastructure exists - but small updates can be made to enhance the website - last one done in July 2015, and the league experience (dedicated hot or not writers etc). Expectations have to be realistic and practical.

A lot of the leaders on mid-tier squads like Cobra, Juans, Potenza etc. – Do not believe that they can be champions. If you do not believe this how will your players work towards it? Why would competitive players who want to win join you? Leaders have to set vision and goals for squads – they have to believe they can win it all and have the drive to make it happen – got to create synergy within your group.
Yet when I read the TWL results - I see upsets, I see some new names having big games - so definitely potential exists for TWL leagues that are more competitive in the future.

Teamwork, activity, leadership – smart recruiting – genuine bonds between players, dedication to improve and compete – this builds competitive squads. What might improve the squadding experience is long-term squads established pre-twl with different groups of players playing together and bonding pre-twl.

I will likely never join another squad again unless someone comes to me with a clear vision to create the long term squad most of us want to be part of – competitive but fun. Significantly active with players who have a drive and desire to play- not half the squad sitting afk in spec for hours on end. Grown up enough that the chats don’t annoy vets, with a maturity level where everyone has respect for each other and shared goals. Where players login in not only to play and be part of part of something special , but to also contribute to it.

What I have found nowadays with the limited amount of time I spend here is I enjoy the game best – when I play some javduels or base, with a bunch of random players. Everyone steps in to game and play – newbs, pubbers and vets alike – plays a few rounds then everyone moves on. Playing the game for fun, no attachments – puts me back in the same place I was as a random newbie, 16 years ago. That is more refreshing then playing in the current version of our leagues.

?go javduel

[ogron]

Hopefully something changes next season. The notion that "we already have TWDT, this is TWL" is a weak argument, as most major north american pro sports leagues function on a draft. Also, TWDT has multiple low-star spots and star-limits, etc. which TWL will never have.

It doesn't even need to be a draft. It can be caps, a draft, 3 captains (ie, Apok/Deez/Lasenza) leading a core who then draft, so the central identity of the squad is still tied to the best players who traditionally play together. There are a lot of options.

I know one of the big gripe of certain players was that TWLD and TWLJ wouldn't have been affected by this year's changes, which is a fair point. From what I'm hearing from Turban, the proposal would involve reforming all three leagues.

There's enough talent for 5-6 competitive squads, and then 2-3 newbie squads where people can still play TWL learn/improve.

They need to be hard rules implemented early on before the season starts, and whoever is running the league can't cave to people threatening to quit.

The quality of the games would increase, matches would be closer, and everyone would be under the same restraints, meaning you're not worried about an arms race with another squad, or having to 100% give up any chance of winning a title (Turban), or feeling guilty for joining a stacked squad to compete for one (Ease.)

Fingers can be pointed at Fierce/Burn/Dudgeon/Dice/Thunder/Pandora/Penetrate/Syndicate/-FINAL-/Light/Elusive/Siege/etc., but ultimately recrimination solves nothing.

Not having a system in place and simply hoping extremely competitive people balance the league out of the goodness of their hearts for the betterment of mankind then getting mad when they don't is both naive and stupid, and doesn't fix the problem.

[Riverside]

I don't care to post often, but I'm a little confused as to why the leagues haven't been split yet. It didn't make as much sense before when TWL lasted for months. It is now essentially 2 months, and some squads are playing up to 6 games every Sunday. That's insane.

It also doesn't necessarily cater to people playing multiple ships. Especially in a time where you want to get the most out of the active players playing due to a dwindling population, it'd make more sense to give people the opportunity at playing a different ship. I'd imagine a player like myself would be interested in joining a squad to play LJ if it was the only league available.

Now, frankly, I don't know if that'll address the stacking problem. That's been deeply embedded within TWL's culture for some reason, and now these "stacked" squads are closely-knit units. Players on Fierce for example aren't only stacked, but they probably genuinely enjoy playing with one another after so many years (though I don't understand how anyone enjoys playing with Lasenza. Apok/Deez are cool as hell to squad with, but my God guys get a grip already).

I don't see a solution to this problem. Still really think that the leagues should split. Change isn't so bad, and who knows, it may disrupt the culture well enough to get you guys to not stack.

[kentaro]

I also agree TWDT is a great example of where we may want to head...

there simply arent enough players around anymore for any squad to have the luxury of 7-10 top tier TWL starters which is the case in some squads... When some of the backups are better than another squads top 5 we know there are problems... must be some kind of rules we can implement moving forward