Fix TWL

[Jones]

you guys should realize already that ease has "been there, done that". he played for sk8 from season 7 (or even 6, cant remember), back when it was nowhere near favourites to win, he stuck around with it in season 9 when demonfaze left it to recreate syndicate(he won that season too, geisha 18-5 where is he?). i don't think half of the people here have stayed and improved an underdog team as much as ease.

the decline of this game is when good player stop playing or become increasingly inactive some other players step up and fill that vacuum. this is how new supersquads are formed. these days (and it has been happening for years), there are no new players stepping up and it is getting worse each year. this explains why there are perhaps only 4 competitive squads in the league, there aren't coming in any new fresh talent from the other squads.

one half of the core of Fierce, started out as newbies. no one here knew who apok was when he was on XeroX (i think) he and his band of annoyance, kitty etc.) got some exposure with HEAVY when they started beating up on good squads. winning some games in twl. etc. eventually, apok joined up with deez and some other players to make this fierce. another example of a squad is perhaps Sweet, no one knew who vt and riverside was and after many years of dedication we finally beat thunder.

there are many examples on underground (yea see that, ease, i also put him there) squads that have formed and become competitive (-legacy-, scrotal's horde!! in the past. hell, even elusive beating rampage in season 6 was a shock to most of spec) but in recent years there simply havent been any squads doing this. the player laSenza is getting some heat in this thread but he as a player is one of the few who have actually improved tremendously. steadman in jav as well.

This is sort of not the point of the thread. so i apologize for hijacking it but I just felt like adding my 2 pennies on some stuff.

[Efhat]

I don't care to post often, but I'm a little confused as to why the leagues haven't been split yet. It didn't make as much sense before when TWL lasted for months. It is now essentially 2 months, and some squads are playing up to 6 games every Sunday. That's insane.

It also doesn't necessarily cater to people playing multiple ships. Especially in a time where you want to get the most out of the active players playing due to a dwindling population, it'd make more sense to give people the opportunity at playing a different ship. I'd imagine a player like myself would be interested in joining a squad to play LJ if it was the only league available.

Now, frankly, I don't know if that'll address the stacking problem. That's been deeply embedded within TWL's culture for some reason, and now these "stacked" squads are closely-knit units. Players on Fierce for example aren't only stacked, but they probably genuinely enjoy playing with one another after so many years (though I don't understand how anyone enjoys playing with Lasenza. Apok/Deez are cool as hell to squad with, but my God guys get a grip already).

I don't see a solution to this problem. Still really think that the leagues should split. Change isn't so bad, and who knows, it may disrupt the culture well enough to get you guys to not stack.

Coming from the piece of shit that axed his whole basing line off of Sweet after hard lock when myself and mega joined you guys to spread the talent in the league. All because you were called a horrible shark and the reason we lost that game. You're the last person that should talk about spreading talent. It's because of assholes like you that make veterans want to play with people we trust.

[Jones]

Coming from the piece of shit that axed his whole basing line off of Sweet after hard lock when myself and mega joined you guys to spread the talent in the league. All because you were called a horrible shark and the reason we lost that game. You're the last person that should talk about spreading talent. It's because of assholes like you that make veterans want to play with people we trust.

it was the single best move for sweet that season and we are still singing our praise to the great riv for doing it

[Crescent Seal]

it was the single best move for sweet that season and we are still singing our praise to the great riv for doing it

ya it helped engineers become top spid on squad

citation: rivers forum sig

[Rough]

I love how after 15 years of playing this game players are starting to realize that it is more fun to play as an underdog and spread the talent. Teams like Syndicate, Thunder, Sk8, Dice, Rampage, Fierce, Siege, Elusive, Light, Dudgeon (Now), Burn etc... have always been the problem to TWL. Ease you say its a case of entitlement, you can't say you have only been guilty of it from time to time, you created it along with all the other top tier talent stacking to win TWL.

There has only ever been a handful of players who have tried to win titles on lower level skilled squads and been successful. Do not make it a fad, it should be a complete mindset for everyone if they want this game to continue. Don't blame players who haven't won titles who decide to play for a good team that ends up getting over stacked. It's the "idolized" players like Rough, Amputate, Demonfaze, the WB talents on Fierce, all of the players who would horde the talent to win. They have been the problem from the beginning and always will be. You finally realized what it feels like to not be surrounded by 4 other of the top 10 javs of the season, or the top warbirds. You feel helpless because you are not THE player who won everything, you were merely just a member of a stacked line that would dominate the other opponents who had less combined skill.

It all becomes an individuals choice, it will forever be TWL. It will not change unless you start to implicate dictatorship like rules towards the league, the future of TW is TWDT and people need to start realizing it. Ogron is the best league organized that I've ever been a part of. Bring back TWDT with OGGIE!

oh and yes, I am a sellout from what I preach. 15 years of off and on close calls of upsets with mambo, revenge, and all of the other lower tier TWL "skills" was enough for me. I want a twl title to round off my TWEL and TWDT championships, next season you will see me again with a team like LEGO.

Cheers

How was Rampage, Light, Syndicate, Elusive, Siege the problem? They were early squads where players got good within themselves, you might as well add -Final- into the conversation if you think that but I don't believe those squads were the problem at all. You were on them as well where you developed too.

Also, since when do I horde players? lmao I am probably one of the most hated individuals in this game(It's all an act, I swear to make the game interesting but whatever). This is random but DW and I agreed we will go to Dungeon two seasons ago where we both agreed it doesn't matter who is javing alongside us, "let's just roll with it and see what happens". Besides MHz and dreamwin, I really do believe rest of the squad hates me honestly but they keep me around because I am a funny guy after all but yeah I don't recruit anyone Loki..

Now if Tiny is a man like I expect him to be, he can tell the truth that I came up to him weeks ago asking him if he would like to go to Cobra(Ricko might of accepted me if I did ask who knows) with me to spread talent...Tiny wasn't interested -- that is your problem right there. Now you speak of hording but you are on Burn where you have a good chance of not starting especially with Ease there now, Tiny too unfortunately. All I am asking is, shouldn't we be ontop of you about it? Let me be clear too, if you don't start in finals in your designed league...everything is a waste.

[Turban]

some squads will have selection issues for the lineups, especially when the big games start rolling out. it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out with all of these players expecting to play on a talented roster. i know most of the players in Burn as an example expect to be in the starting lineup when playoffs begin, and only five can start in each round.

anyway, the way I see it, TWLD and TWLJ are still pretty darn competitive as each league has at least four squads with a chance of winning it all, but as far as TWLB is concerned it is really a long shot to see anyone but Burn or Dudgeon winning the title. i'm not saying it to belittle squads like LEGO, Fierce and Cobra, but these aforementioned teams simply do not have the strength on all fronts to challenge the top lineups of the two juggernaut squads. i hope i am proven wrong, though.

but, yah, as people said, something needs to change for the future.

[Rule]

saggiN> u dis gud
    saggiN> wat u said was false bout ppl on cobra/potenza "2nd tier squads" not having the belief they can win it all
    saggiN> trust me we do
  Rule> sry random aliaser get on your normal name or stfu =p
    saggiN> lol u done dis not random every1 knows who i am
    saggiN> Ore wa, Uchiha Madara
      Rule> Its not false at all. Read the beginning of my post.
      Rule> identifying the thin line between underdogs and champions.
  Rule> How leaders of squads market themselves, and show the rest of the league their desire to win, influences whether competitive players will see them as worthwhile as joining.
 Rule> its good that you have a different opinion, it means your alive and breathing.
    saggiN> but thats the thing we dont want some alpha wb joining to take us to the promiseland
      Rule> but still why would anyone want to join potenza?
    saggiN> we rather team up with ppl our skill level
    saggiN> work hard on teaming
    saggiN> and win that way
Rule> and thus far that has made you champions right?
   Rule> I agree with having a core and teaming. But where is the real desire to win and direction coming from.
    saggiN> so u are saying we should stack to become champs? lol
      Rule> I am saying you are not convincing.
[FLAG] INCONCEIVABLE!!: Icefront claims flag for Freq 0 with just 1 second left!
      Rule> Your simply talking.
      Rule> Actions speak louder then words.
    saggiN> its b/c we arent stacked that we arent convincing
      Rule> its because leaders of squads have no vision
    saggiN> we dont have 10 wbs who could be starters
    saggiN> everywehre else
      Rule> alot of the time they recruit and say "come join us, we aim to be a top 4 squad, and make the playoffs"
      Rule> and then they say "we are not stacked, we dont have this many wbs etc etc"
      Rule> how about we aim to win TWL this season and plan to practice around the clock to show the rest of the league we are the best.
      Rule> after that we plan to expand into a 3 league squad and dominate.
      Rule> no one says that because they dont believe its possible.
      Rule> in their heart of hearts.
    saggiN> nobody practices anymore like that lol
    saggiN> nobody has time too
   Rule> excuses, excuses.
        Rule> Unconvincing. 
  saggiN> we cud all jus join fierce n burn n bench
    saggiN> wud dat b better
        Rule> Yesterday (many years ago)
  Rule> Fierce were bunch of newbs, trying to make it
    saggiN> lol when?
    saggiN> the first fierce was created JUST to stack and beat ease
      Rule> You cant see it can you?
    saggiN> with racka apok deez skepsis kyou dele etc.
      Rule> LOL
      saggiN> they had like 500 wbs
      Rule> why would anyone want to bother creating a squad just to beat someone
    Rule> your either ease, or dumb as hell
    saggiN> the very creation of fierce was to stack man
    saggiN> ask racka
      Rule> they wanted to squad together and to win.
    saggiN> the cap
      Rule> Racka was never a real cap on Fierce
    saggiN> yes winning meant beating ease there
      Rule> hes always had his head up his ass
    saggiN> old
      Rule> still does
    saggiN> it doesnt matter lol ur whole idea of "bunch of newbs trying to make it" is false
      Rule> The players on Fierce came from different backgrounds
    saggiN> they stacked
      Rule> Actually no they didn't
    saggiN> ?
      Rule> your just stuck in that mentality.
      Rule> "they stacked whine whine"
    saggiN> they had deez apok racka dele kyou skepsis etc. lol
    saggiN> how is that not stacked
    saggiN> ur blind
      Rule> think I am done talking with you. You are blind.
    saggiN> LOL u have 0 idea
  Rule> Why would I have no idea Saggin?
      Rule> where was I the first time Fierce won LD?
    saggiN> u literally have 0 clue, go talk to apok/racka/dele each one has told me they created fierce and stacked to take down ease
    saggiN> who knows prob benching
      Rule> I was part of Fierce dumbass
    saggiN> well u were 0 factor
      Rule> thanks for the compliment
      saggiN> np
      Rule> you are 0 factor
  saggiN> i dont bench to titles
      Rule> too punk to get on your own name and have a convo
    saggiN> so im ok with that
    saggiN> lol i just told u who i was?
      Rule> too judgmental to see straight.
    saggiN> are u retarded?
      Rule> too retarded too not get offended by someone who has a different opinion then you
    saggiN> LOL im not offended but you are wrong about it
    saggiN> its not an opinion issue
    saggiN> fierce stacked season 1
      Rule> Nope, Fierce was underdog first year they came in
    saggiN> they literally combined like 5 squads together
    saggiN> it was another quake type
      Rule> do you think Elusive winning LJ in season 5 were stacked?
    saggiN> were quake underdogs too?
      Rule> do you they think were clear champions with no competition?
      Rule> We started 0-4 in twl. No one expected us to do anything in lj, It was a squad only known as wbs.
     Rule> Elusive became Elusive because ppl put in mad work to make it happen.
  saggiN> yeah nobody put work here
    saggiN> they just stacked
    saggiN> they killed other squads
    saggiN> reduced competition
    saggiN> so only thunder was it
      Rule> Back in those days -F- and Siege and other squads were real competition. Half a dozen other squads were very strong too
    saggiN> ya that doesnt exist now
      Rule> Definetly the amount of players has gotten smaller
      Rule> so when players stick together for years
              Rule> and are competitive players
      Rule> you see dominate squads
      Rule> I am not wrong about Cobra or Potenza. 
      Rule> I looked at Juans a few weeks ago
    saggiN> idk wat ur point is
      Rule> And saw a hidden potential there
Blue World> rofl
      Rule> to be an upset contender
saggiN> its not easy
      Rule> thats gone now tho
      Rule> likely.
    saggiN> and u should know that, u couldnt even keep Real alive for a week
      Rule> Actually I never had a real plan to make Real again.
    saggiN> regardless
    saggiN> if u made a squad right now
    saggiN> it would most likely fail
      Rule> Dele wanted too, and I rolled with it. Then I decided making a squad 2-3 weeks before TWL was not worth it.
    saggiN> people rather bench
      Rule> I would need at least 3-4 months
      Rule> like the original Real.
    saggiN> u made that when zone was still healthier
      Rule> I guess that was stacked too right in your mind.
    saggiN> try making real now
    saggiN> yeah you had like 15 wbs lol
      Rule> but do you know where it started from? 
    saggiN> i dont see need of that
      Rule> You are unconvincing
      Rule> in that "whine whine whine they are stacked"
    saggiN> so are u
      Rule> lol
    saggiN> all of ur arguments so far are unconvincing
      Rule> we are genuine their is just us - we are not stacked
      Rule> thats your argument
    saggiN> who is we
    saggiN> yeah
    saggiN> which is 100% true
      Rule> your argument is to complain and blame
    Rule> other squads
      Rule> while doing nothing for yourself.
    saggiN> no my argument is to show you a dose of reality
      Rule> to improve the situation
    saggiN> about elusive
    saggiN> snap out of it
      Rule> Madarai right?
      Rule> dice bencher and baser?
    saggiN> and focus in on whats happening now
    saggiN> what
      Rule> I dont even know who you are
    saggiN> lol ive told u that 5000000x
      Rule> no offense meant lol
    saggiN> madara uchiha
    saggiN> cres
    saggiN> crescent seal
      Rule> why didnt you just say Cres, Cres
    saggiN> b/c all of my aliases are well known 
      Rule> do you have identity issues?
      Rule> Why would I know all of your aliases?
    saggiN> u just have 0 awareness of whats happening atm
    saggiN> shows ur activity
      Rule> or give a fuk?
    saggiN> makes ur opinions literally insignificant
            Rule> hands cres a pillow
     Rule> go hug yourself
       Rule> You were part of Sweet right?
    saggiN> ya
    saggiN> only last year
      Rule> oh
    saggiN> i dont bench ever lol
      Rule> Do you agree with Jones post?
      Rule> Sweet started as underdogs
    saggiN> forgot what he said
      Rule> and eventually earned a title.
saggiN> yeah in a time where it was possible to work at it
    saggiN> its not anymore
      Rule> Now nothing is possible right Cres
    saggiN> when they won squads were still more balanced than now
      Rule> because activity is dead, and squads are not balanced
      Rule> so its game over
    saggiN> not to mention apok didnt show vs dice which resulted in dice vs sweet finals
    saggiN> LOL
    saggiN> otherwise fierce would of won again
      Rule> and the only thing you can do about it now is whine right?
    saggiN> lol its not whining its reality
      Rule> its pure whining. Telling me what I said about potenza and cobra is not true
    saggiN> like i said try making a squad that lasts more than 2 weeks
      Rule> yet claiming you cannnot win anything
      Rule> because of stacked squads
    saggiN> when did i claim that lol
    saggiN> i have faith we will win
         saggiN> despite the odds
saggiN> and its heavy odds vs us
         Rule> ya it would be, bunch of random aliasers messaging ppl in pub
    saggiN> if one of our top 5 doesnt show we are fked, its hard to get depth when ppl rather bench
      Rule> no identity.
    saggiN> lol we arent aliased
  saggiN> ur just an idiot for not knowing
    saggiN> i cant solve that
      Rule> You are an idiot for aliasing 
    saggiN> why lol
      Rule> pointless
      Rule> I think like ten years ago we had a convo about this.
    saggiN> so if i pick a name i can never change it?
    saggiN> so dumb
    saggiN> as long as ppl know who i am
      Rule> once again your whining 
    saggiN> there is 0 issue
      Rule> if "one of our top 5 doesnt show we are fked"
   saggiN> its true
      Rule> Go and recruit 3 more wbs dummy
    saggiN> LOL from where?
    saggiN> pub?
      Rule> should always have depth on a squad
    saggiN> z40sflk is good?
    saggiN> our depth is mediocre players
      Rule> Pub, wbduel, base, another squad whereever the fuk you can find them
      Rule> Get off your ass
    saggiN> lol either ur trolling or actually retarded
    saggiN> cant tell
      Rule> Stop blaming other squads and players
      Rule> and make the squad you want.
    saggiN> not possible
      Rule> oh its Apoks fault they stack
    saggiN> yeah it is
      Rule> do you realize how stupid you sound?
    saggiN> he doesnt need 18 ppl on his bench
    saggiN> to coord
      Rule> Go and steal some of his ppl then
    saggiN> they are pussies who rather bench
      Rule> "oh I cant do that"
    saggiN> i cant fix it
      Rule> "they wont come"
      Rule> "not my problem"
    saggiN> u want me to pay them irl? lol
      Rule> Excuses mutherfucker
    saggiN> not going to work
      Rule> I doubt ppl would follow some guy messaging them aliased, whos recruiting tactic is to whine about other squads
    saggiN> these arent excuses this is reality something you have failed to grasp for years now on this game and irl most likely
    saggiN> you couldnt even keep real alive for 3 weeks and you are lecturing me LOOOOL
    saggiN> get over yourself loser
:saggiN:I couldnt or I chose not too
:saggiN:big difference
      Rule> ?find saggin
saggiN - afk
(saggiN)>unconvincing
(saggiN)>whine 
(saggiN)>"boohoo i couldnt do it"
:saggiN:This convo too much for you?
:saggiN:clearly
(saggiN)> "boohoo i wish i had 3 months for it"
(saggiN)>excuses excuses
:saggiN:didnt like what you heard so you ran to afk.
(saggiN)> "boohoo i only had dele"
:saggiN:Buddy my time running squads is done.
(saggiN)>" boohoo i dont cap anymore and run squads"
:saggiN:my time playing here and spending time here extensively is done
(saggiN)>see how retarded this sounds?
:saggiN:I am content with that.
:saggiN:You can see it anyway you want and hate on it. Good for you.
(saggiN)>and you can do the same towards me
(saggiN)>makes 0 difference
:saggiN:I think the main thing I am trying to show you is
(saggiN)>the reality of whats happening wont change
:saggiN:excuses get you nowhere
:saggiN:blaming others gets you nowhere
(saggiN)>yeah it def. didnt get Real anywhere
:saggiN:If potenza and cobra want to be champions
:saggiN:they have to put in more work.
(saggiN)>like i said we will do the best with the limitations we have, both squads barely have a bench
(saggiN)>both squads have reached out to benchers on fierce and burn but it was 0 success b/c they rather bench
(saggiN)>its reality
:saggiN:so now what?
:saggiN:You do the best you can with what you have Cres.
(saggiN)>so now you wait and watch
  (saggiN)>obviously
:saggiN:"obviously"
:saggiN:lol
(saggiN)>there is no other option is there?
:saggiN:you sound like one of those faggots
:saggiN:who believes everything should be given to him in life
:saggiN:and nothing is earned.
(saggiN)>lol? is that why i never stack on squads?
(saggiN)>i could have so many medals by now by benching
(saggiN)>but i refuse not to
:saggiN:Everything that is worthwhile in life is earned
:saggiN:do you want someone to hand you a twl title
:saggiN:or do you plan to take one
:saggiN:like I mentioned in my post tho
(saggiN)>like i said i never bench on twl squads
:saggiN:what is the difference
(saggiN)>im not a "tripin"
:saggiN:between players who have titles, and those who have none
:saggiN:in my opinion nothing.
(saggiN)>but there is a difference b/w players who have titles and who bench for titles
:saggiN:thats my own issue with the league now tho
:saggiN:The 6th and 7th man on Fierce
:saggiN:who plays 5 LDs and never gets to chance to play in finals
:saggiN:is worthless to you then right?
(saggiN)>yes
:saggiN:He did nothing to help his squad
:saggiN:right?
:saggiN:even though he was the one logged in most days, helping get TWDs played
  Icefront> lol
(saggiN)>the game has changed, we cannot afford for ppl to do that anymore this isnt 2003 where u can pull it off
(saggiN)>he should have enough dignity to help this game out
(saggiN)>join another squad
(saggiN)>start there
:saggiN:Nope, nothing wrong with his choice
:saggiN:hes content to be where he is
:saggiN:some of these guys put in mad work for the squad in twd
:saggiN:not anymore tho
(saggiN)>trippin put in nothing
(saggiN)>vash did nothing
:saggiN:in your opinion
:saggiN:but whats your opinion worth? when its skewered and hateful
:saggiN:not much.
(saggiN)>last year tripin didnt even play any LD games LOL
:saggiN:so he should of joined Potenza right?
(saggiN)>no he should of joined a squad where he could of started
(saggiN)>doesnt have to be us
:saggiN:maybe tripin likes being where he is because he is friends with the ppl on the squad
(saggiN)>well maybe tripin is a selfish douchebag who should realize that this game is dying and him moving to other squads helps it
:saggiN:Players are going to play where they want to play. Its always been like that.
(saggiN)>well times are changing
(saggiN)>its not feasible anymore
(saggiN)>we will probably have that TWL-Draft next year anyways
:saggiN:I think whatever disagreeing views most have
:saggiN:most will agree that change is needed here.
:saggiN:my own viewpoint is ppl have to keep a positive viewpoint on where the leagues can go
:saggiN:or its dead

[Turban]

please use the [CODE] tag next time.

i will edit your post to not be as long on the screen.

[Rule]

please use the [CODE] tag next time.

i will edit your post to not be as long on the screen.

Sure, it looks better your way.

[EnFlAmE]

Ease, I respect you a ton as a player even though you probably have no clue who I am. But there are a few things I need to point out in your post.

In LD, players like Riverside and Jones led the way by joining Vikings. But when no one spread out, Riverside did the only natural thing he could do; extend his middle finger to the league and join a stronger team.

I'd like to disagree. Jones, Riverside and Unabled would have gotten things done for us in LD. Having Steep step up and Ravos/Ison in the mix would have secured a playoff spot in the new format. In theory.

If I wanted to compete in 3 leagues the general consensus was "too bad man you should have joined a 3 league squad."

Fun fact. Juans could have easily been a three league squad. 1 DD played in the final week of TWL qualifications would have secured you guys a spot. Then when Prayer bailed on LB you guys could have stepped up and taken their spot, or even Potenza's spot. Would they be top contenders in ld/lb? Probably not. But I'd say the talent on the roster is there to BECOME contenders.

Other then that I agree though. A split of league's might do this game some good. Then again what would prevent all the top wb's to join the top wb squad, the top javs to join the top javs squad and the top basers to join the top basing squad?

[kentaro]

Look Rule,

I have no idea why you are trying to call out Cobra and dont compare us to other squads. We have been trying for 3 years as Cobra already, making the playoffs in the first year and then makin the finals the year after.

Last season we ALL worked our asses off as a team. Our group core was Kentaro, Ricko, Raazi, Casket, Kyou, Best, and Creature. We went from losing games in the regular season vs Sweet/Fierce by 10+ to beating them in the regular season on the rematch.

Then we further beat Fierce 2-0 in the first round of the playoffs and did the same vs Sweet. In the Finals vs Fierce we ended up losing 2-3 in a best of 5 series. I will say this, There was not one guy in that LD finals game that did not believe we could win. After a strong performance in game 2 we had an opportunity to seal the deal in game 3 and 4 but failed to do so. Bottom line, they played better in the end and it was back and forth between Fierce all season long not just the finals.

Ricko and I had the intention to bring back Cobra and our goal was not to finish top 4 or whatever nonsense you speak of. We wanted to finish what we started and win the title. So dont speak out of your ass and call out the Captains. What frustrated us is that we had a commitment from players last season to bring Cobra back and play again. Instead, we have players joining other squads to potentially bench or just no longer have interest to play anymore.

The fault lies not in the captains but there is just a lack of skilled active players, or even motivated up coming players. Hence, why there needs to be a change in TWL.

tl;dr Fuck you.

[Rule]

Look Rule,

I have no idea why you are trying to call out Cobra and dont compare us to other squads. We have been trying for 3 years as Cobra already, making the playoffs in the first year and then makin the finals the year after.

Last season we ALL worked our asses off as a team. Our group core was Kentaro, Ricko, Raazi, Casket, Kyou, Best, and Creature. We went from losing games in the regular season vs Sweet/Fierce by 10+ to beating them in the regular season on the rematch.

Then we further beat Fierce 2-0 in the first round of the playoffs and did the same vs Sweet. In the Finals vs Fierce we ended up losing 2-3 in a best of 5 series. I will say this, There was not one guy in that LD finals game that did not believe we could win. After a strong performance in game 2 we had an opportunity to seal the deal in game 3 and 4 but failed to do so. Bottom line, they played better in the end and it was back and forth between Fierce all season long not just the finals.

Ricko and I had the intention to bring back Cobra and our goal was not to finish top 4 or whatever nonsense you speak of. We wanted to finish what we started and win the title. So dont speak out of your ass and call out the Captains. What frustrated us is that we had a commitment from players last season to bring Cobra back and play again. Instead, we have players joining other squads to potentially bench or just no longer have interest to play anymore.

The fault lies not in the captains but there is just a lack of skilled active players, or even motivated up coming players. Hence, why there needs to be a change in TWL.

tl;dr Fuck you.

I am calling out every squad that claims stacking is the reason why they cannot win Kentaro. Every player and cap that makes excuses. Every cres. People in this zone always make excuses and blame the dedicated squads that stick together. Yet what brought many players back year after year was the great squads and the high level of competition. Yes its clear that its more challenging now, with the limited player base- but other then implementing a draft league - its a fact that players will play where they want to play. Which means caps and contending squads will have to do a better job at strengthening their squads. Blaming and excuses leads nowhere.

The reality is we have declining player base and declining interest in the game and have for many seasons. For those of us who used to play hundreds of twds in a season and put in lots of work - the level of commitment, general stagnation of the leagues and player bickering/trashtalk/whining provides no incentive to be involved. If you remember after last season I gave Cobra props for its efforts so don't get it twisted.

If you do want to personalize it, and believe I am genuinely singling out and picking on cobra (potenza or any other squad) then you need to get your head out of your ass. What does the thin line between underdogs and champions mean Kentaro? It means that any of the competitive squads can win TWL if they are dedicated and focused enough, have some luck, activity, and standout individual/team performances.

- Rule

[Crescent Seal]

Instead, we have players joining other squads to potentially bench or just no longer have interest to play anymore.

The fault lies not in the captains but there is just a lack of skilled active players, or even motivated up coming players. Hence, why there needs to be a change in TWL.

tl;dr Fuck you.

+1 sums it up perfectly

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Look Rule,

I have no idea why you are trying to call out Cobra and dont compare us to other squads. We have been trying for 3 years as Cobra already, making the playoffs in the first year and then makin the finals the year after.

Last season we ALL worked our asses off as a team. Our group core was Kentaro, Ricko, Raazi, Casket, Kyou, Best, and Creature. We went from losing games in the regular season vs Sweet/Fierce by 10+ to beating them in the regular season on the rematch.

Then we further beat Fierce 2-0 in the first round of the playoffs and did the same vs Sweet. In the Finals vs Fierce we ended up losing 2-3 in a best of 5 series. I will say this, There was not one guy in that LD finals game that did not believe we could win. After a strong performance in game 2 we had an opportunity to seal the deal in game 3 and 4 but failed to do so. Bottom line, they played better in the end and it was back and forth between Fierce all season long not just the finals.

Ricko and I had the intention to bring back Cobra and our goal was not to finish top 4 or whatever nonsense you speak of. We wanted to finish what we started and win the title. So dont speak out of your ass and call out the Captains. What frustrated us is that we had a commitment from players last season to bring Cobra back and play again. Instead, we have players joining other squads to potentially bench or just no longer have interest to play anymore.

The fault lies not in the captains but there is just a lack of skilled active players, or even motivated up coming players. Hence, why there needs to be a change in TWL.

tl;dr Fuck you.

+2 water u waring

[Tiny]

How was Rampage, Light, Syndicate, Elusive, Siege the problem? They were early squads where players got good within themselves, you might as well add -Final- into the conversation if you think that but I don't believe those squads were the problem at all. You were on them as well where you developed too.

Also, since when do I horde players? lmao I am probably one of the most hated individuals in this game(It's all an act, I swear to make the game interesting but whatever). This is random but DW and I agreed we will go to Dungeon two seasons ago where we both agreed it doesn't matter who is javing alongside us, "let's just roll with it and see what happens". Besides MHz and dreamwin, I really do believe rest of the squad hates me honestly but they keep me around because I am a funny guy after all but yeah I don't recruit anyone Loki..

Now if Tiny is a man like I expect him to be, he can tell the truth that I came up to him weeks ago asking him if he would like to go to Cobra(Ricko might of accepted me if I did ask who knows) with me to spread talent...Tiny wasn't interested -- that is your problem right there. Now you speak of hording but you are on Burn where you have a good chance of not starting especially with Ease there now, Tiny too unfortunately. All I am asking is, shouldn't we be ontop of you about it? Let me be clear too, if you don't start in finals in your designed league...everything is a waste.

I'm not going to lie Rough, You did approach me and I did ask Ricko or wax, I cant remember which, about joining cobra with children and making them have a better jav line after I got benched in preseason. I was so very close to doing it, but then I thought you were trolling me. I even joked on our chats....rough telling me him and commodo joining cobra and that I should go too and trying to get me off roster. Well believe me when I say, that after thinking about it, and knowing commodo thinks very little of me (in my sig below), and you use to be there too, that I didn't take u too seriously. Maybe we should have pursued it more, maybe not, or maybe next time? 8(