TWLB Final

[Pure_Luck]

Suff, When are u returning ?!?!?!?!?

[Sufficient]

Originally posted by Pure_Luck
Suff, When are u returning ?!?!?!?!?

Stop gettin off topic poop =) ... talk to you ingame ... in 3 weeks when I'm back at NU.

[CrvenBan]

I won't let it come down to bickering, but don't give me that shit about how I'm complaining, cuz I'm not, Im just stating the facts/views from game.
We didn't lose cuz we played old school style (I don't know why you'd even use that expression considering how you prolly don't know what old school style is), but we lost cuz your laggy sharks would eat and stay alive much longer than normally.
And don't give me that ignorant bullshit about under 100pings (like that means something), you know what kind of lag I am talking about. One more thing, my lag is 130 .1 .1 and I can't rep more than few bullets at time, let alone eat 5 then rep again.

[Sufficient]

Originally posted by CrvenBan
I won't let it come down to bickering, but don't give me that shit about how I'm complaining, cuz I'm not, Im just stating the facts/views from game.
We didn't lose cuz we played old school style (I don't know why you'd even use that expression considering how you prolly don't know what old school style is), but we lost cuz your laggy sharks would eat and stay alive much longer than normally.
And don't give me that ignorant bullshit about under 100pings (like that means something), you know what kind of lag I am talking about. One more thing, my lag is 130 .1 .1 and I can't rep more than few bullets at time, let alone eat 5 then rep again.

The same applys to the Spastic vs Diso game in the reg season? Why bring this up now when you could have mentioned Spastics' lag in the reg season game? If you had a gripe with lag you should have brought it up then with the ppl in charge of league, right after that regular season game.

[CrvenBan]

I only had problem with one particular game where _I_ played. And I played total 4-5 games. I don't know why you ppl constantly try to make it like you don't lag, when everyone knows you all do.
Now, it's only the question if normal lag was enough.

[Pyros]

130 .1 .1 sometimes i get 170 .1 .8

say whatever u want just dont say u lost cuz we cheated

[Sufficient]

Originally posted by CrvenBan
I only had problem with one particular game where _I_ played. And I played total 4-5 games. I don't know why you ppl constantly try to make it like you don't lag, when everyone knows you all do.
Now, it's only the question if normal lag was enough.

I forgot the email address ... but if you have a gripe with the game *you* played ... send an appeal.

If you think some ... or all members of Spastic lagcheated in any games ... it is your right to use the ?cheater command.

If you want changes to be made you have to talk to ppl, discuss the changes, and test them out.

[Pure_Luck]

You are just a sore loser. Only person that used to lag was jr and he got dsl now so he doesn't. Go whine some more about it since we all live in the states(mostly) and you guys don't.

Thanks,

Pure_Luck

[SuperMet]

originally posted by Miau

Just limit the spiders to 4.
Jav is imo by far the elitest basing ship and damn hard to master. Now the cram is making it usless since all you need is laggy sharks. No skill involved in tanking 3 spids then reppin 3 before you die. Cram has not only made jav useless but also sharks skill less. Mining has lost it's meaning cos of the cram and line sure isn't an option since people just spike in (not whining about that lag. Always been there, just the fact that lag+cram has ruined 2 ships from the game: shark+jav. Can't remove the lag, so removing cram is the only option)

Please bring back some reason to basing and limit the spids. I've always loved base cos of it's many aspects. Now this is just plain sit+shoot. Elimwhores can play base as good as dedicated basers now and almost with no prac. Where is the good old basing gone?

Have any of you guys checked Disoblige's statistics for their TWLB matches? In the regular season, in only 3 out of the 10 matches, Diso used a jav. This was against Anti-Scrub, Camisade, and British Squad. The rest of the games their lineup was 5 spiders... in which of course, they crammed with them.

In the 3 games against Spastic, Diso used the 5 spider cram for season Round 1, and the 2nd game of the TWLB finals. (1st game of TWLB finals NOCKM javved)

So what's my point? Miau claims that it takes no skill to cram because of lag, spiking, no mining, making the jav useless, and calls for the removal of the cram because "there is no reason in basing and spiders should be eliminated". Yet, in 5 out of 7 games that Miau sharked, she was sharking with the cram. You cry that the cram should be eliminated, but Diso played with the cram as well for a great part of the season.

You also say that because of the cram, elimwhores could play base well. I wouldn't call Disoblige a team of elimwhores who also use a cram. What other squads in TWLB were elimwhores that don't practice? I don't think any squads in TWLB were elimwhores with no practice.

Now, a squad like Pallies also complains about the cram, but they play many lineups with WBs and javs, experiment (with ideas such as 3 WBs), and don't cram.

Diso has won plenty of games this year using the cram technique. However, their only loss this season was against a team who also used the cram, and after, some of their members are trashing it. While undoubtedly it is Diso's captains/leadership that decides the lineups, and some players might not want to play with a 5 spider lineup. But, because I noticed perhaps some hypocrisy in the arguments and statistics of the matches, I wanted to point that out. Thanks.

[Sufficient]

Read my forum pm super.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Sorry, I haven't really read much of these type of threads, but has anyone mentioned possibly having two entrances into base?

[Sufficient]

Originally posted by ConcreteSchlyrd
Sorry, I haven't really read much of these type of threads, but has anyone mentioned possibly having two entrances into base?

Yes ... there has also been the mention of up to 3 entrances for fr. I *think* a few ppl are looking into other map changing ideas ... other ppl (the more adamant anti-cram ppl) seem to want to restrict teams to 4 spids max. There has also been mention of shipchanges, using diff ships (levs and weasels (pub and old settings)), as well as ship setting changes ... also flag/pt setting changes, also multiple flags.

I'll post a pic of my suggested map change (2 entrance) ... take a look at one of the other posts in this forum for my description/suggestion.

[Mantra-Slider]

sidenote: I have wanted to use at least 1 jav whole season

[CrvenBan]

Originally posted by SuperMet
originally posted by Miau

Have any of you guys checked Disoblige's statistics for their TWLB matches? In the regular season, in only 3 out of the 10 matches, Diso used a jav. This was against Anti-Scrub, Camisade, and British Squad. The rest of the games their lineup was 5 spiders... in which of course, they crammed with them.


So what's my point? Miau claims that it takes no skill to cram because of lag, spiking, no mining, making the jav useless, and calls for the removal of the cram because "there is no reason in basing and spiders should be eliminated". Yet, in 5 out of 7 games that Miau sharked, she was sharking with the cram. You cry that the cram should be eliminated, but Diso played with the cram as well for a great part of the season.


But, because I noticed perhaps some hypocrisy in the arguments and statistics of the matches, I wanted to point that out. Thanks.

You're missing a few points in your statistics-hypocrisy hunt. Ever bothered to check if we, in those 5 spiders games, had a guy in that could play jav, or is our starting jav (mostly that being nockm and thunder) ? And if we did, and he played spider indeed, which games it was ? Spastic and Mambo games featured Nockm in on spider, and if I remember correctly it was begining of the season where he was being inactive before and rusty in jav, plus we all knew what lineups would those other two teams use. So, if you have any tactical knowledge, and you know your opponent will play 5 spiders, you don't put in two javs that easy.

Miau is right, it takes no skills to cram, only timing for sharks and enough lag to eat bullets, and it's nightmare for old-school sharks that used to rely on their skills in every aspect of sharking and now only have to sit and rep. But you don't play AGAINST your own team.

And, no one is crying on Diso (pun intented), belive you me, we've played and won and lost many a game, with Spastic game probably having a very low value to us.
Why do you think we wanted to play Pallies so much ? It's there where challenge lies (just grab Conc, bend him over and SLAP! SLAP! SLAP! on the ass untill it's glowing red).



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[Sufficient]

Originally posted by Mantra-Slider
sidenote: I have wanted to use at least 1 jav whole season

Who's the bastard who wanted 5 spids =P? ... zerz i bet =).