TWL Season 7 Staff

[Randedl]

a week old squad is a twd squad, i don't care if they make it to the top of the ladder in 2 weeks, they should not be considered.

if whoever's makin the rules is absolutely obsessed with only keeping playoff teams (something i think is a huge mistake), then make twd squad eligibility dependent upon two things, games played and the length of time the squad has been around.

if a squad is planning on sticking around for the 10 weeks plus playoffs/delays of twl, they should have no problem sittin in twd for 3-4 weeks. further, yeah, let's see something like a 40-50 game minimum.

as a final note, please make it less rewarding for a squad to keep ducking "good squads" in twd.

rejected basers did it to melee before the start of last twlb, only playing us when they *HAD* to win a game, and it happens alot more in twdd. if you are opening up 10-12 spots in each league, it won't be nearly as hard to make it into twl by just playing the *freddyvsjason* type squads.

further, i think it would be a good idea to put somebody interested in lj and ld on the twl hierarchy, cuz basing isn't the only aspect of trench wars.

[Sufficient]

How bout Acid ... he plays wb and jav too.

[Cig Smoke]

ya cid likes all 3 leagues..but he's always been ahead of the LB the past few years...like rand said it'd be nice to get a ld/lj guy in there but i guess uc ould say Epi is that guy to

[Epinephrine]

Yah I'm still here as supreme TWL advisor of all, and to help out when possible.

-Epi

[Fighter of Gold]

I disagree with only letting the playoff squads back into TWL.. I know it's been gone over before ad nauseum, but all that rule is gonna do is create a ton of squadhopping and squaddissolving. Since even some playoff squads from last season have dissolved, there's going to be hardly any continuity. Why punish the squads that have been able to stick around and replace them with flash in the pans that might not be around for more than a month or two?

It's going to cheapen the leagues and it gives no incentive for someone to stick with an up and coming squad. I know the argument is that if the squad is good enough they'll requalify anyway, but it's human nature for people to jump on and off bandwagons. And if one little thing goes wrong inside a squad (argument, etc.) people have nothing to lose by hopping onto other/new squads that have just as good a chance of making leagues.

And people who have stuck with their non-playoff squads from last season are going to hop to the teams that are high on TWD right before TWL is chosen, and it's gonna absolutely destroy a ton of squads.

And instead of creating a competitive TWL with talent spread out somewhat evenly, the top squads are going to remain good and the mid-to-lower squads will have no chance to get better. They'll be gone at the end of the season anyway and their best players will hop to playoff squads or the latest flavor of the month new squad.

[Verthanthi]

Let's play pretend for a minute. Let's pretend that last season I said, "Spastic doesn't deserve to be in playoffs. Just because they went 7-3, that means nothing. Poor No Surrender, they've been around for 5 years. Why punish them just because they won less games in three leagues than Spastic one in just this one? They deserve to go in over spastic."

Well, you'd say, "Shut up Mr.Child, you're obviously retarded. Playoffs are about the best playing each other." Well, you're right. And that's the point of leagues. If I wanted an easy roll-over squad, I'd go spam pubs looking for a twd match. No, I want a game that's going to be something of a challenge.

Stability? Does it matter if I'm rolling over some team I've never heard of or some team I'll care about? Beating the stuffing out of British Squad in basing has about the same appeal as playing some new squad. Except that the new squad has some promise.

How does it reduce the tendancy to stay with some up-coming squad? By giving them a chance to get into leagues? Cutting the shitty squads makes room for more good new squads.

I've said the same thing in a bunch of different ways, but let me sum up with the best one that this argument always ends with. "Any squad who deserves to be in leagues can requalify."

[Project]

As Nickname said, controversy usually only arises around top notch squads. So whats all this fuss about Spastic bias?

zing.

[Cig Smoke]

i think what fighter was implamenting wsa that the decent ppl on the little squads are all gonna hop to the top notch squads who are ranked high on teh TWD ladder who will get into TWL..also ppl will try to be hopping to the melee/diso who are garenteed in all 3 leagues...im not saying im against the rule but i think that fighter was saying make EVERYONE requalify not just thenon-playoff bc it will create squadhopping and make other squads die u know ppla re gonna try to hop off the NS train (cept old guys) to the newer created squads made for 1 season of TWL fame which will in reality kill 2 squads in the end for the "elite" squad will die after the season and the NS is basicaly ruined bc of all the ppl leaving...get where its heading? like i said tho i aint for or against the rule i give no shit either way i gotta requalify

[nemiseph]

Originally posted by Fit of Rage

Instead of the criteria for being league eligible being set at a minimum of 10 games in whatever league a squad is aiming for, I suggest it be bumped to 40, or perhaps even 50, thus preventing an Immolate/Inferno/Faded incident like we had last season.

That might help the ensure some "lasting" competition.

Edit: This criteria might be different for basing, since it's harder to have that many basing games in however long qualification for TWL is (six to eight weeks?).

Maybe there needs to be a certain amount of time a squad has to have exsisted for, as well as a minimum number of games played in TWD. 3 months perhaps?

[Fighter of Gold]

Originally posted by Verthanthi Let's play pretend for a minute. Let's pretend that last season I said, "Spastic doesn't deserve to be in playoffs. Just because they went 7-3, that means nothing. Poor No Surrender, they've been around for 5 years. Why punish them just because they won less games in three leagues than Spastic one in just this one? They deserve to go in over spastic."

?? I never said spastic didn't deserve anything. I don't know what your point is here. My opinion is that all the squads who manage to survive from last season should be re-invited back. There's inevitably a bunch of dissolves that will open up more than enough space for the new squads to come in. Having some continuity in leagues is much more important that trying to up the competitiveness by blanketly inviting the top 8 or 10 TWD squads into leagues.

Well, you'd say, "Shut up Mr.Child, you're obviously retarded. Playoffs are about the best playing each other." Well, you're right. And that's the point of leagues. If I wanted an easy roll-over squad, I'd go spam pubs looking for a twd match. No, I want a game that's going to be something of a challenge.

Definitely. That's what leagues should be all about. But there's going to be shitty teams in leagues regardless of how you get them there, that's just the nature of the beast.

Stability? Does it matter if I'm rolling over some team I've never heard of or some team I'll care about? Beating the stuffing out of British Squad in basing has about the same appeal as playing some new squad. Except that the new squad has some promise.

I'm not condemning new squads. There will be new squads every year just based on the fact that squads dissolve. Hell, my squad was a "new squad" last season. Stability should be rewarded, because frankly, in a game filled with 13 year olds with ADD there's not gonna be that much of it. Granted, BS and the like may not be very competitive in leagues but at least they show up and try their hardest in the games. Being in leagues should have some prestige, not just whoever can play enough newb squads to get themselves in the top 10 on the ladder. And why wouldn't NS/Cripples/BS/etc have promise? They're probably more likely to get good recruits than an unknown new squad.

How does it reduce the tendancy to stay with some up-coming squad? By giving them a chance to get into leagues? Cutting the shitty squads makes room for more good new squads.

The best new squads will make it in through TWD due to the dissolves from last season. When you bring in a huge amount of new squads into leagues, you run the risk that one or more are gonna be flaky and dissolve after a few weeks or not even show up to their TWL games. There's too many unknown quantities in that situation. Bringing in only the top new squads from TWD would help to somewhat combat that. At least squads like NS can show up and stick around and not have any controversy.

I've said the same thing in a bunch of different ways, but let me sum up with the best one that this argument always ends with. "Any squad who deserves to be in leagues can requalify."

See my argument regarding that in my above post. There's absolutely no incentive for anyone to stick with their non-playoff squad through any hard times this way. And with the fickle nature of SS players, that's gonna end up destroying a lot of squads that could have gone on to better things.

[Sufficient]

NS will surprise many this coming season ... watch out!

[Cig Smoke]

so will creeples we made a few good recruits and are atleast better then we were last season i feel in all 3 leagues, but its useless argueing to let all squads in form last season fighter i tried it b4, and i also tried to say just drop 1-2 squad from each league that'd get rid of NS/BS and them. i tried to explain u dont need a whole new field of teams that it will ruine squads and if u do it probably 3-4 of them squads wont last the season, but no one listens to me so requaifying it is

[Fighter of Gold]

I don't like to get involved in conspiracy theories, but the people who are making the rules also happen to be people who are either on playoff squads or on new squads who would benefit by having more open slots in leagues. Something to think about.

[Epinephrine]

I personally support allowing all squads from Season 6 who want to return to return. Squads come and go, and as much as you want competition, many of those new squads probably won't be around until the end of the season for the playoffs anyway because they tend to break up easily. Meanwhile squads like NS, BS and even Cripples have shown that they care enough to stick together and show up for games. Regardless of their skill last season, I personally think it is in the league's best interest to have stable squads both for scheduling interests and for the fact that this league is open to the people who care the most.

This was my policy from last season, and I think it would be good for this season but Cpt. disagrees. So bug him

-Epi

[Project]

Originally posted by Fighter of Gold
I don't like to get involved in conspiracy theories, but the people who are making the rules also happen to be people who are either on playoff squads or on new squads who would benefit by having more open slots in leagues. Something to think about.

If you deserve to be in league more than those new squads, you have the opportunity to show it in TWD. If you weren't in playoffs, then you should have to fight for your spot, because you weren't at the top last year. If your squad didn't make playoffs because of replacing a drop out squad (I don't know if DG did, but this is a pre written defense against any stupid excuses), then you didn't make it into league last year because you weren't at the top of twd.