Overachiever of the week (Week 7)

[Vehicle]

If there is a baser with a retarded low rating its celly lol. I remember the dude as a decent shark which used to be the current 7.5 level atleast. That he got rated this low was a total surprise for me.

This. Why tf is Celly 6.5? He should be changed immediately.

Also, WillBy, good on you for writing up a concise description of how you pick.

[beam]

congrats Kings! forgot to post last night but there haven't been any new votes since then so all good

[Nipple Nibbler]

WillBy Thanks for the explanation.

[Majorcrisis2]

Unusual, sure (I don't think I've ever seen two players on the same team reach 150 in the same game), but an unusual occurrence that has nothing to do with this award. The only true overachiever I'm seeing from that game (statistically) is Celly's 2.9 RPD with 1 TeK and 0 TK as a 6.5*.

If there is a baser with a retarded low rating its celly lol. I remember the dude as a decent shark which used to be the current 7.5 level atleast. That he got rated this low was a total surprise for me.

[beam]

noticed there's more discussion when I actually do a write up so I'll make sure I have one for the last 2 weeks even if it means delaying the post a bit but I'm loving it keep it coming boys

[WillBy]

I'm not going to address my specific choices, or why some people weren't picked. With 10 teams playing each week, we have at an absolute minimum 80 players to choose from, and any given week one can expect over 3 people overachieving.
I will go ahead and respond to this, because I'm a fan of transparency:

Lockdown is doing an incredible job making these picks, same with Willby. I’d like to know what are the formulas you two are using to select players because it’s starting to look pretty biased.
Cant say anything about beam because he can’t pick people who’s on his team.

I can't speak for lockdown or beam, but here is my criteria/decision making process:

As I am unable to watch every game, I rely heavily on the scoreboards from the website. For DTD and DTJ, its a little bit easier to gauge performance. First, I generally pick from a team that won both games. While I look at every game, I find the most of the overachieving low *s are on teams that are winning. Next I look for impressive kill counts, preferably in closer games, or with balanced star counts. Picture a DTD line featuring Ease, saiyan, beam, willby and celly- of course the three high-stars are going to have impressive scores, because they will have to account for the extra kills their weaker teammates couldn't. This isn't necessarily overachieving- I expect the three players representing 29 of the 41 stars to get around (over) 70% of team kills. Not saying those three haven't done amazing, just that I expect amazing from them. This is why I think 10*s haven't been nominated. You have high expectations.

Besides that, I do take feedback from past threads. Even if only 80 players played, I expect nearly twice that number of opinions here on the forums or in games. When people point out that someone is rated wrong, or provide other reasons that someone shouldn't (or should) be nominated, I try and keep that in mind. On a related note, I do try to move around who is getting nominated. Like being HOT in Hot or Nots, it is an honor to be nominated, and I want to spread that around as much as possible (while not excluding repeat, impressive performances). Even if you don't win, it is nice to see people talking about your performance. And I don't think anyone should win this prize money twice.

I try not to nominate anyone on my own squad (DT or TWD) because that would be biased of course. I've been traded around a bit so this was actually easier for me.

I also hope to get relatively even nominations across all 3 leagues. This might lead to people being nominated or skipped, but it wouldn't be fair to not nominate javs week after week, even though it is far from my "main" ship.

In general, my hope was that many people would win small amounts of money and that everyone has a chance. As a reminder, here is a link to the cash breakdown. People that see continued success week after week don't (in my opinion) necessarily qualify as overachieving because you are expected to perform well. But I don't want anyone to feel like they don't have a chance to win though- for people that routinely drop 150+ kills in spider matches, you are likely currently a top 8 performer, and you qualify for that money. Between the random prizes and the overachiever awards, I want the 7.5* players to feel like they have a chance, because the high-stars are likely going to win all the "high score" awards.

Again, I'm all for transparency here. If people have specific questions about the nomination process, or think that someone got overlooked, please share and I will do my best to address your comments. I do want to avoid bashing people, so I'm going to avoid explaining why anyone wouldn't or didn't get nominated. Please check out past weeks if you want to see any of that:


For reference, here's the threads from past weeks:

https://forums.trenchwars.com/twdt/1...he-week-week-6
https://forums.trenchwars.com/twdt/1...he-week-week-5
https://forums.trenchwars.com/twdt/1...he-week-week-4
https://forums.trenchwars.com/twdt/1...he-week-week-3
https://forums.trenchwars.com/twdt/1...he-week-week-2
https://forums.trenchwars.com/twdt/1...he-week-week-1

[Pressure]

Unusual, sure (I don't think I've ever seen two players on the same team reach 150 in the same game), but an unusual occurrence that has nothing to do with this award. The only true overachiever I'm seeing from that game (statistically) is Celly's 2.9 RPD with 1 TeK and 0 TK as a 6.5*.

[Rab]

It's 2x 150+ on the same team in the same game that's unusual about it.

[Pressure]

I didn't mean to rock the boat by criticizing one of the nominations. From my understanding, this award is meant to highlight the achievements of players who may otherwise be overlooked because they are not highly rated. It's meant to reward average players/lower rated for doing better than expected. Presumably, this is meant to be an inclusive measure, since the average players/lower rated players are less likely to have a chance at winning other awards (like scoring titles).

I agree, 175+ kills as a spider at any rating is overachieving and probably should have been acknowledged, regardless of cripple being a 10. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not think getting 150 kills is all that rare anymore (didn't 3-4 people reach 150 this week? skatarius, cripple, Solace, etc.). As frustrating as it may be to be technically "overachieving" yet not actually getting nominated for the overachiever award, cripple's highly successful season will be acknowledged when he wins the spider scoring race.

Either way, this award has been great so far. beam's doing a great job with the concise writeups and the threads with the voting discussion have provided much-needed midweek entertainment. I have no complaints other than I think Dutch Baser got overlooked this week and should have been nominated over one of the other nominees.

[ronaldinho]

A 10* have nothing to do as overachiever as it is the max rank, it should be 9.5* the big maximum to participate in this.

[renzi]

Even if you’re 15*, 179 kills in a single game and a 133-60 overall k:d is pretty over fucking achieving to me. Having 2 spiders on the same team get 150+ kills in a single game, too, but 179 is much more impressive and rare

[Efhat]

We also had a few spiders reach 150 kills this week that weren't mentioned.

What a surprise.
I hit 179 and I wasn’t mentioned. I also think 179 is the highest that has ever been touched in a 30 minute game in DTB. I can give a fuck less about this “reward”, I mean have you seen my illustrious career? People wake up every day and wish they sweated the success that I have every Sunday.
But we’re putting the same players every week over and over again instead of people who are deserving of the actual “over achiever” award.
Lockdown is doing an incredible job making these picks, same with Willby. I’d like to know what are the formulas you two are using to select players because it’s starting to look pretty biased.
Cant say anything about beam because he can’t pick people who’s on his team.

it’s starting to look ridiculous that the same players are on this every week when there’s other players who are out performing and just because they’re a 9 or above they aren’t getting mentioned.

autopilot was on this for three weeks
kings is now on this a second or third week whatever it is
yeh is on this for the second time too right?

there were better performances from other players the last three weeks than to have the same people being mentioned.

and before someone says this is for “bad lower tier players” (because this is what I’ve been told this award is for)
rough has played this game for twenty years and he’s only a 8.5 in warbird and he’s getting a nomination then?

yeh has historically been a good jav with his lag. It’s not like he’s a “new” player.
so that argument goes down the drain.

what gives?

Dutch Baser should’ve been an option. He literally carried his basing team as a 7.5 to a win.
if were going off of “low tier” players, how many 7.5s have carried a team and dropped 145 kills as a spider?
just doesn’t make sense.
solace dropped 150 kills too.
im not gonna mention me because I really don’t care about this, but there’s people that are dropping some good numbers and aren’t being considered.

[Nipple Nibbler]

We also had a few spiders reach 150 kills this week that weren't mentioned.

[Pressure]

We can definitely do better with some of these nominations. Not only has Kings already been nominated, but 6 deaths as a 7* terrier is not impressive.

Some notable mentions from this week's games just by first glance at the stats:

Dutch Baser (7.5): 144-73, 1 TeK + 113-81, 0 TeK
Groan (6): 102-60, 2 TeK + 64-43, 1 TeK
mvp (7.5): 109-49, 0 TeK

Dutch Baser probably deserved a nomination this week.

[Nipple Nibbler]

Menelvagor 2.6 rpd gets my vote

I'll play nice and just say "lol" instead of mentioning a really bad play near the flag...

Yeh has been known to have some really dominating games, not really sure why hes only 8.5. Regardless hes playing really well, and it was close but I went with kings. Kings doing really well for 7* in a ship that low * basers usually fail miserably at.