Gay Marriage

[THE ENFORCER]

As usual, I don't have the patience to read the whole thread, but I did read the majority of the posts in the last 2 pages.

1st I disagree with the argument that marriage is a religious thing. Almost all civilizations today recognize marriage - regardless of the religion they believe in, or whether they even believe in any religion.

To answer the question 'should gay marriage be allowed by law', I am going to follow a very scientifical way of prove my argument:I will 1st look at the purposes of marriage, then I will discuss whether these purposes apply to the union of a homosexual couple.

In my personal opinion, marriage is device created by the human society to protect the weaker side of the family, more specifically the children, and for some instances, the women (especially house wives). It creates stability for the growth of the offsprings in a union between a man and a women. This is a more traditional role of the marriage. Nowadays, there are many other aspects of the marriage, for example, tax purposes.

Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with homosexual marriage. But I have to admit that the traditional role of marriage does not apply to a homosexual couple, that is, homosexual couple can't naturally conceive a baby.

I am against homosexual couple's rights to adopt kids. Call me conservtive by all means, but there aren't any research I know of proved the mental healthness of children in a homosexuality enviornment. If all we care about is the rights of homosexual couple, who is going to protect the rights of those adopted children?

But of course if thorough researches show that children in homosexual enviornment differ in no ways from those raised in heterosexual family, then by all means allow those gay couples to adopt kids.

I agree 100% with the adoption part. Although i dont think it has much to do with protecting children cause the law already does this, its more i think to do with the fact that if two people marry they statistically have a better chance in staying together and having children (more of an incentive to stay with the lows and the highs) However instead of taking a historical viewpoint maybe think about the subjective viewpoint, which is why do people marry? There are two reasons religon and love. Thats why religon is an important topic however any other topic is irrelevant e.g cause its unlikely that two people will marry to save on their income tax! Howver i do concede that there are many arguments agianst that (e.g its legal for two people with different religons to marry). Although i think the reason why the state gives tak breaks to married couples is because they want to encourage marriage and therefore encourage child birth which would increase the population, however that wouldnt work for a homosexual couple, so there wouldnt be any real benefit for the state in giving tax breaks to married homosexual couples (doesnt have much to do with this argument but its just another thought worth raising).

However i have not come across any real reason why gay couples cant get married or have the legal equivalent. I do understand why they cant be married by a priest or a rabbi though.

[TelC@t]

However instead of taking a historical viewpoint maybe think about the subjective viewpoint, which is why do people marry? There are two reasons religon and love.

I am sorry, I know many reasons for people to get married, religion is just not one of them.

There are people who marry because of love, there are people marry for money. Some marry because they want to settle down, others marry because they want to have kids.

No one I know of ever marries because he/she loves God and knows it's god's will that he/she should be married. No one!

[THE ENFORCER]

I am sorry, I know many reason for people to get married, religion is just not one of them.

There are people who marry because of love, there are people marry for money. Some marry because they want to settle down, others marry because they want to have kids.

No one I know of ever marries because he/she loves God and knows it's god's will that he/she should be married. No one!

Jews believe that you arent fully a man unless you have married,

i think its also similar with muslims (but im not 100% sure on that one). Also priests highly encourage marriage to their congregants. So religon although you may think is not a sole reason its at the very least an added plus to couples thinking of marriage therefore is important. Religon also defines what a married couple should or shouldnt do so religon can therefore determine what a marriage is. So you can not aviod discussing religon in this matter.

Side note: all the reasons you mentioned maybe form part of the reason but no-one marrys unless they are in-love with the other person (unless maybe the money one, but that doesnt count cause marrying for money usually never last and we are talking about rational people as well to clear it up)

[TelC@t]

I am not fully a man even if I have married

But seriously ... pressure from family and friends are probably 10x more severe than that of religion if you are not married by, say age of 35?

[THE ENFORCER]

I am not fully a man even if I have married

But seriously ... pressure from family and friends are probably 10x more severe than that of religion if you are not married by, say age of 35?

Maybe for you, but there are some highly religous people in the world you cant compare yourself to other people and know what they would do.

And i dont understand this comment "I am not fully a man even if I have married"

[Verthanthi]

Jews believe that you arent fully a man unless you have married,

Speaking as a Jew, shut up.

P.S. I will be voting for Nader or Pat Paulson.

[Sarien]

If a kid is being abused they should be placed in foster care (which means adopted parents idiot)

(im serious now if you blah blah blah blah)

Alright.. Adoption versus Foster Care for the kids in the short bus.
Foster Care is a state funded institution. Parents apply to become foster parents, and for each child they are willing to take in they get a check from the government. However, there are no rules about how long a family has to keep a kid, etc. Yes foster care can indeed sometimes lead to adopting a child, but in most cases, it doesn't. In several cases, kids that have problems or are difficult to deal with, or for a variety of other reasons will be passed around from foster home, to foster home. In fact, I know of some people in my area that provide foster care not for the children, but for one thing. The money. It's VERY different than adoption.

You're welcome to put me on ignore. I encourage it, in your case.
You being unresponsive to me murders any impetus I might have had
to show you what a ninny you are.

[THE ENFORCER]

Speaking as a Jew, shut up.

P.S. I will be voting for Nader or Pat Paulson.

im also jewish!
Do you feel stupid now for saying that?

[THE ENFORCER]

Alright.. Adoption versus Foster Care for the kids in the short bus.
Foster Care is a state funded institution. Parents apply to become foster parents, and for each child they are willing to take in they get a check from the government. However, there are no rules about how long a family has to keep a kid, etc. Yes foster care can indeed sometimes lead to adopting a child, but in most cases, it doesn't. In several cases, kids that have problems or are difficult to deal with, or for a variety of other reasons will be passed around from foster home, to foster home. In fact, I know of some people in my area that provide foster care not for the children, but for one thing. The money. It's VERY different than adoption.

You're welcome to put me on ignore. I encourage it, in your case.
You being unresponsive to me murders any impetus I might have had
to show you what a ninny you are.

Foster care and adoption place children in care of people other than thier birth parents. Thats all that is relevant in this discussion who cares if the state does it or if there are rules!

Note i already discussed this in a previous posting!

[TelC@t]

im also jewish!
Do you feel stupid now for saying that?

I think it's pretty obvious from your 3rd last post that you were a jew and I think Verthanthi knew that too. He told you to shut up not because he knew everything about jewish religion, but because not every Jew believes you aren't a man unless you are married, he for one is an example.

[THE ENFORCER]

I think it's pretty obvious from your 3rd last post that you were a jew and I think Verthanthi knew that too. He told you to shut up not because he knows everything about jewish religion, because not every Jew believes you aren't a man unless you are married.

Well if your other than a liberal jew than you would believe it, note some liberal jews believe in jesus and women rabbis therefore i dont really believe liberal jews shall be called 'jews'

[Sarien]

Foster care and adoption place children in care of people other than thier birth parents. Thats all that is relevant in this discussion who cares if the state does it or if there are rules!

Note i already discussed this in a previous posting!

You simply must be mentally defective in order not to be able to make
this intellectual leap.

Foster Care isn't a stable home environment with dedicated parents.

Adoption is.

So therefore Adoption by parents, gay or straight, is better than Foster
Care. Jeeheeezits. You are too fucking dense for your own good.

[Verthanthi]

So, what, I've been excommunicated for thinking women are real people?

EDIT: From a PM he just sent me

why did you publically announce you were jewish?
Now you opened the floodgate for me and you!

I apologize that I am proud to be Jewish.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Let the antisemitism begin!

[Zeta-burn]

Thats not very nice :eek:

yes it is. it helps rid this world of feminism. and fudge-packers.